Re: network printing problem

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From: Bill H. (wh_at_photosourcefolio.com)
Date: 05/19/04 

Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 23:35:26 -0700

Thanks.

The printer is an HP1200 connected to LPT1 on WinXP home, and trying to
print from the win98se computer. Drivers were installed from downloaded
files from hp.com

I did set up user accounts on the winxp, but sounds like I didn't need to do
that. I think the problem is fixed, though I'll know in a few days.

I found that the shared printer icon was set to use some wierd port on the
winxp computer. I can't remember what it was, and most print jobs send from
the win98 computer would just stall with "error--printing" but a test page
from the printer icon on win98 worked.

So, I changed the port to LPT1, and so far, so good. Very strange.

To help, I set up two printers for the HP1200 on winxp each using the same
LPT1 port. One printer for local winxp printing, and the other for printing
from win98. That way, I figure, if a print job gets stuck in the win98
queue, the local winxp printer can still function.

However, I am stuck with a printer in printer control panel on winxp that I
cannot delete, keeps saying something about the printer name being wrong or
can't connect to the print server. I've always been able to delete printers
before, so this is new to me (it's not the default printer, either).

"Bruce Sanderson" <bsanders@junk.junk> wrote in message
news:%236OdBj9OEHA.808@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> Perhaps some clarification is in order.
>
> "Target" depends on the context, but generally refers to the other
computer
> that you want to take some action on remotely; that is, if you want to do
> something to computer #2 from computer #1, then computer #2 is the target
> computer.
>
> The instructions on the page at
> http://members.shaw.ca/bsanders/NetPrinterAllUsers.htm are about adding a
> "Network Printer" to "target" computers (e.g. computer #2) without
actually
> using the keyboard, mouse and display of those computers, but rather by
> sending commands from one computer (e.g. computer #1) to all the others
(the
> target computers - computer #2 etc.).
>
> Those commands will not work when sent to a computer running Windows 98,
so
> they aren't really of much use to you, since your other computer
> (potentially a target) is running Windows 98 and anyway, looks like you've
> already got the "Network Printer" added to your Windows 98 computers.
>
> "Local" and "Network" printers are explained in the definition of
"Printer"
> at http://members.shaw.ca/bsanders/Glossary.htm which may be useful
> background information.
>
> What make and model are the printers? Many things to do with printers are
> very model specific, so this is vital information if you need assistance
> with printers.
>
> 1. From your description of the problem, the two printers are Local
Printers
> on the Windows XP Home computer. You want to be able to print on those
> printers from a Windows 98 computer over the network. Is this correct?
>
> 2. With XP Home, all networking (e.g. accessing file or folder shares
from
> another computer, printing from another computer on a printer shared from
> the XP Home computer) is done using the user account called "Guest". So,
> no, you don't need to add other user accounts for users of your Windows 98
> computer to use the printers.
>
> 3. If you can print Test Pages from the Windows 98 computer to the
printers
> that are on the XP computer, then at least you have network connectivity,
> the printers are shared correctly and there are no permission (security)
> issues.
>
> 4. Now, the next thing is about Printer Drivers. When you added the
> Network Printers on the Windows 98 computer, were you prompted to install
a
> driver or did you have the driver already installed?
>
> 5. The driver that was installed on the Windows XP computer can not be
used
> on the Windows 98 computer. You need to have a "compatible" pair of
drivers
> on the two computers. What constitutes "compatible" depends entirely on
the
> make and model of the printers. If the drivers are not "compatible", some
> things may print correctly, some may print incorrectly and some may not
> print at all. You might want to see if there are newer drivers available
> for each of Windows XP and Windows 98 on the printer manufacturer's web
> site. See http://members.shaw.ca/bsanders/possiblyusefullinks.htm for
links
> to the driver download place for some printer manufacturers.
>
> 6. The information and instructions at
> http://members.shaw.ca/bsanders/NetPrinterNoPP.htm might be useful.
>
> 7. It might be possible to add the Windows 98 driver as an "Additonal
> Driver" on the Windows XP computer, but with only two computers, it may
not
> be worth the effort. Not all drivers can be added this way, but when it
> works, the "Additional Driver" will be sent automatically to the client
> computer (the Windows 98 computer in your case) when the printer is added
to
> the client computer. Additional Drivers are added on the printer's
> Properties, Sharing page. Here's how:
>
> a. on the Windows XP computer, right click on the printer in Printers and
> Faxes and select Properties
> b. select the Sharing tab
> c. click Additonal Drivers
> d. click the check box beside Windows 95, 98 and ME to add a check mark
> e. click OK
> f. click the Browse button and navigate to where the Windows 98 driver is.
> This could be a floppy disk or CD that came with the printer, or the
folder
> where you downloaded a Windows 98 driver from the manufacturer's web site.
> There should be a file with a .inf extension at that place. Select the
.inf
> file and click Open.
> Follow through the prompts - these may vary depending on the actual
driver.
>
> If you get an error message, quite likely the driver has not been packaged
> correctly to be used as an Additional Driver - unfortunately, this is all
> too common, particularly for older printers and many of the (cheaper) ink
> jet printers.
>
> 8. I take your point about the first paragraph at
> http://members.shaw.ca/bsanders/NetPrinterAllUsers.htm being confusing. I
> will work at making it less confusing, although this page is not relevant
in
> your situation - it does not apply to Windows 98 at all. With Windows
2000
> and Windows XP, when a user uses the Add Printer wizard to add a Network
> printer, nowhere in the Add Printer wizard's dialogs is there an option to
> add the printer for all users that logon to that computer; the wizard only
> adds the printer for the currently logged on user. However, by using the
> commands described on that page, it is possible to add a Network Printer
so
> that all users that logon do get to use the Network Printer without adding
> it using the Add Printer wizard. When the computer to which the Network
> Printer is to be added is running Windows 98, this is completely
irrelevant
> as Windows 98 does not have these concepts.
>
> If you still need help, please post again, but make sure you tell us what
> make and model your printers are!
>
> --
> Bruce Sanderson MVP Printing
>
> It is perfectly useless to know the right answer to the wrong question.
>
>
>
> "Bill H." <wh@photosourcefolio.com> wrote in message
> news:ueHv8h6OEHA.3748@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> >I don't understand it.
> >
> > It says " There is NO option in the Add Printer wizard to add a network
> > printer for all users of a computer, but the capability to do so does
> > exists
> > in Windows 2000 and XP. "
> >
> > then does not say HOW to add printer for all users on a winxp computer.
> >
> > So I'm I supposed to, then, use this program on the win98 computer to
gain
> > access to a network printer on the winxp machine?
> >
> > and by the way, the "target" word is NOT in their glossary, so I'm not
> > sure
> > if the target computer is the win98 or the winxp.
> >
> > "Cari (MS-MVP)" <Newsgroups1@coribright.com> wrote in message
> > news:%23j3thm2OEHA.1276@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> >> Take a look at Bruce Sanderson's article at
> >> http://members.shaw.ca/bsanders/NetPrinterAllUsers.htm
> >> --
> >> Cari
> >> MS-MVP Windows Technologies - Printing/Imaging/Hardware
> >> www.coribright.com
> >>
> >> "Bill H." <wh@photosourcefolio.com> wrote in message
> >> news:eavVLd2OEHA.3312@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> >> > Have new winxp home (replacing an old win98) and trying to share the
> >> > two
> >> > attached printers with a win98 computer. All seems OK (printers
appear
> >> > shared, and I can set them up on the win98 computer and a test page
> > prints
> >> > OK), but sometimes print jobs from the win98 don't print on the winxp
> >> > (laser) printer.
> >> >
> >> > I have only one account (the main account, admin group) on the win xp
> >> > computer. For printing, do I have to set up a user account for all
the
> >> > other users/computers that want to share the winxp attached printers,
> >> > or
> >> > does printer sharing (once set up) work regarless of who is logged
into
> >> > the
> >> > win98 computer and whether or not they have a corresponding account
on
> > the
> >> > winxp computer?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Bill
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

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