Re: Video Camera
- From: "Yves Alarie" <rd50@@pitt.edu>
- Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 19:43:13 -0400
I get you. Thanks for the info.
I don't do much video editing. Very time consuming.
"Graham Hughes" <graham.hughes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Yves, to be honest, unless you want record and play then it's no use
buying
> a dvd camcorder. The codecs used now are quite good and there is much less
> blockiness in encoding the mpeg2 stream, but if you want to edit it, you
are
> limited to which app you can use, although more are now available, and
what
> you can edit to, as mpeg file structure is such that on the dvd cams I
> believe i frmaes are every 15 frames, and these are your edit points. Plus
> if you don't have a good editing app, you end up re-encoding the mpeg file
> which is like taking a jpeg still, changing it and then saving as a jpeg
> file again etc....
> Mpeg streams are around 20 times less than dv-avi, so easily transported
> through usb2.
>
> Graham
>
> --
> Graham Hughes
> MVP Digital Media
> Laird of Glencairn
> www.dvds2treasure.com
> www.simplydv.com
>
>
> "Yves Alarie" <rd50@@pitt.edu> wrote in message
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> > I have not seen camcorders with USB 2 other than a friend who has a new
> Sony
> > model recording on DVD.
> > He seems please with it. Will have to give one a try and really
> compare--too
> > much subjectivity in comparing somebody else movies with mine when the
> > content is so different.
> >
> > Previous Sony models recording on DVD were not that impressive so I have
> > stayed with the MiniDV tape.
> >
> > "Graham Hughes" <graham.hughes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > news:unCUriNPFHA.3076@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Yves, yes some of the latest cams are using USB2 with cam control, but
> > only
> > > from the package they come with, the problems we then get are people
> > > expecting that they can plug a usb2 cam in and use movie maker to
> > capture,
> > > just isn't happening yet.
> > > Capture has to be done in real time, so USB 1 is a definate no.
> > > I'm still in disgreement that they *work well* with USB 2
> > > Most of the USB2 cams work best with compressed capture to dvd disc
and
> > the
> > > like, where they have a smaller data stream to pass to the pc and can
> > handle
> > > it better. If you want quality then so far dv-avi still rules supreme,
I
> > > expect this will change when we get more hd technology along the lines
> of
> > > the sony fx-1 etc.
> > >
> > > Sorry for calling you John.....
> > >
> > > --
> > > Graham Hughes
> > > MVP Digital Media
> > > Laird of Glencairn
> > > www.dvds2treasure.com
> > > www.simplydv.com
> > >
> > >
> > > "Yves Alarie" <rd50@@pitt.edu> wrote in message
> > > news:unFe2FKPFHA.164@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > I think that you will be surprised with the new camcorders using USB
2
> > and
> > > > full control of the camcorder with the software provided. At least
> this
> > is
> > > > what I have been reading.
> > > > I don't know how well they would work on USB 1
> > > > but there is no doubt that they work well with USB 2.
> > > > I certainly agree with you that firewire has been the way to work
with
> > > > camcorders (only way I can work with my camcorders) but things are
> > > changing.
> > > >
> > > > "Graham Hughes" <graham.hughes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > > news:%23QoLOLIPFHA.3072@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Personally I wouldn't use USB even 2 for video work. Firewire was
> > > designed
> > > > > specifically for video work, it can cope with the continuous
> transfer
> > of
> > > > > large amounts of data and you can control the cam from the editing
> > > > software.
> > > > > USB2 although speed rated faster than firewire, it is burst speed
> > rather
> > > > > than continuous and you'll find you have problems when working
with
> > > dv-avi
> > > > > files. These are the best ones for video work.USB 1.1 will not
work
> > with
> > > > > video capture in anyway. Cams may be described as having
dv/ieee1394
> > or
> > > > > i-link which are all firewire by different names. Any dv cam
should
> > have
> > > > > firewire.
> > > > > Most cams these days have usb for download of stills taken by the
> > memory
> > > > > card, which you can't do using the firewire connection.
> > > > > I would certainly go with Johns recommendation for Minidv, still
the
> > > best
> > > > > for quality, and as he's already mentioned size, the best thing is
> to
> > go
> > > > to
> > > > > a shop and handle a few cams and see which you like the feel of
and
> > then
> > > > ask
> > > > > for help with those models.
> > > > > I'm a canon man, prefering their colour rendition, whereas John
> having
> > > > used
> > > > > Sony's may well look at a canon image and wonder why it doesn't
look
> > > right
> > > > > to him.
> > > > > You ask about accessories, a normal battery, once worn in will
last
> > > about
> > > > > 45/60 mins with the viewfinder and most models you can get a
longer
> > > > lasting
> > > > > battery, but beware, bigger batteries mean more weight, which may
> > throw
> > > > the
> > > > > nice balance of the cam out. Get an nd or uv filter, best way to
> > protect
> > > > the
> > > > > lens. A tripod is worth it's weight in gold for nice steady
pictues,
> > > > > especially if you want to sell people a horse, so get a good one,
> > > > preferably
> > > > > with a fluid head, but if you can't run to that, check them out
for
> > > > rigidity
> > > > > and how smooth the pan is.
> > > > > Also look for a cam with dv-in, so you can archive your material
> back
> > to
> > > > > tape, still the best and cheapest way for doing this.
> > > > > If you get a cam with av-in as well, you can use it for doing
things
> > > like
> > > > > converting vhs tapes to the pc, recording the tv etc.
> > > > > Do not be swayed by the vast digital zooms, they are useless.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Graham Hughes
> > > > > MVP Digital Media
> > > > > Laird of Glencairn
> > > > > www.dvds2treasure.com
> > > > > www.simplydv.com
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Yves Alarie" <rd50@@pitt.edu> wrote in message
> > > > > news:OI9sABEPFHA.576@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Yes, USB is now coming on camcorder. It is USB 2 and will
transfer
> > > > almost
> > > > > as
> > > > > > fast as firewire. So no big difference here.
> > > > > > If you have a desktop and you have USB 1 port, it will work but
> the
> > > > > transfer
> > > > > > will be quite slow. You can purchase a USB 2 card and install it
> in
> > > your
> > > > > > computer.
> > > > > > Easy enough to do. No software to install. XP will recognize the
> new
> > > > card
> > > > > > and install it automatically.
> > > > > > A major problem with camcorder still remains: using them in low
> > light
> > > > > > situation. So if you plan using one for interior photography
look
> > > > closely
> > > > > at
> > > > > > the reviews on this item.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "walt" <walt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:724C1E0B-A448-4835-81D2-F6DFD06B9F8F@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > Well I can see I have a lot to look at. Is it important to
have
> a
> > > > > firewire
> > > > > > > port? I noticed on some of the models it just has a usb port.
> > > > > > > Thanks for all the information.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Yves Alarie" wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I think you have everything you need as far as hardware and
> > > > software.
> > > > > > Nero
> > > > > > > > or Roxio?
> > > > > > > > I use Roxio, a friend use Nero. They both get you there. I
> don't
> > > see
> > > > a
> > > > > > big
> > > > > > > > difference between the two. Nero may be a little friendlier
to
> > use
> > > > and
> > > > > > since
> > > > > > > > you have it I would stick with it.
> > > > > > > > I don't think I would want to "recommend" a camcorder.
> > > > > > > > I have used Sony TRV10, TRV20, TRV50 (these are already
> > > discontinued
> > > > > > > > models....anything over two years in this field is old and
> over
> > > > three
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > senile) and very pleased with all three. All are MiniDV.
Have
> > been
> > > > > > tempted
> > > > > > > > with new Sony models recording on DVD instead of MiniDV but
> the
> > > > > quality
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > just not quite there yet. So pick a Canon or a Sony MiniDV
in
> > your
> > > > > price
> > > > > > > > range and right now good very good quality is from $800 to
> 1200,
> > > and
> > > > > > good
> > > > > > > > quality from $600 to 800.
> > > > > > > > I can tell you what I do not like. The pocket size. They are
> > nice
> > > to
> > > > > > take
> > > > > > > > along but I have a hard time working with them. The LCD is
> just
> > > too
> > > > > > small
> > > > > > > > for me. When shooting video you want to look at the LCD.
> > > > Particularly
> > > > > > when
> > > > > > > > you are shooting action, like in your horse shows. A large
LCD
> > > > allows
> > > > > > you to
> > > > > > > > look at the action on the LCD and even lift your eyes from
it
> to
> > > see
> > > > > > were
> > > > > > > > the action will be going on and move your camcorder smoothly
> > > toward
> > > > > it.
> > > > > > You
> > > > > > > > can't do this with a small LCD and you sure can't do this
> using
> > > the
> > > > > > > > viewfinder, unless you are a pro camera person.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "walt" <walt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > news:4ABA4E3A-15A4-4F7B-AE50-15D483EAD4FA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > Thanks Yves, yes I do have two DVD drives double layer for
> > > > burning.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > Nero that came with the computer and just got the upgrades
> to
> > 6.
> > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > > (they are free updates at their site). I also have Roxio
on
> my
> > > old
> > > > > > > > computer.
> > > > > > > > > Do you think one is better then the other? I can upgrade
my
> > > Roxio,
> > > > > but
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > will be about $50 for the 7.something. Could you recommend
a
> > > > minidv.
> > > > > > And
> > > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > > are the extra things that I will need. I know you always
> need
> > > > > > something
> > > > > > > > extra
> > > > > > > > > so everything works. I mean like an extra battery disks
> (what
> > > > size)
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > > > whatever else you would suggest. Thanks for the help.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "Yves Alarie" wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Here is a good site for camcorder reviews:
> > > > > > > > > >
> http://www.camcorderinfo.com/d/Reviews&level_b=Camcorder.htm
> > > > > > > > > > Canon/Sony. Difficult to go wrong with them.
> > > > > > > > > > I would certainly go with the MiniDV tape format.
Nothing
> > > less.
> > > > > > > > > > Your computer has all the resources to download the
video
> > from
> > > > the
> > > > > > tape,
> > > > > > > > > > edit the tape and copy to a DVD disk to distribute the
DVD
> > to
> > > > > > > > prospective
> > > > > > > > > > buyers.
> > > > > > > > > > To download the tape to your computer, you just use
Movie
> > > Maker
> > > > 2,
> > > > > > part
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > XP, or the software that will be supplied with the
> > camcorder.
> > > > > > > > > > To edit the tape (movie) once stored on the computer you
> > again
> > > > use
> > > > > > Movie
> > > > > > > > > > Maker 2 or the software that will be supplied with the
> > > > camcorder.
> > > > > > > > > > Now you have a "movie" file on your computer.
> > > > > > > > > > You need to copy it to a DVD disk.
> > > > > > > > > > To do this you need a DVD drive.
> > > > > > > > > > You don't mention that you have such in your computer.
> > > > > > > > > > If you don't have this, you will need to purchase such.
> > > > > > > > > > Look for an external DVD drive that can be connected to
> your
> > > > > > computer
> > > > > > > > via a
> > > > > > > > > > Fire Wire port (you need this port to connect your
> camcorder
> > > to
> > > > > your
> > > > > > > > > > computer in order to download the content of the
camcorder
> > > tape
> > > > to
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > hard
> > > > > > > > > > drive) or a USB2 port (forget about USB1, too slow for
> > video).
> > > > > > > > > > Once you have this DVD drive connected to your computer,
> you
> > > can
> > > > > > copy
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > movie from your hard drive to a DVD disk.
> > > > > > > > > > To do this you will need software. Widely used are Roxio
> and
> > > > Nero
> > > > > > > > copying
> > > > > > > > > > software.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > "walt" <walt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > > > > > > > I want to get a Movie Camera. I am partial to Canon.
We
> > > raise
> > > > > and
> > > > > > show
> > > > > > > > > > > miniature horses. I want the camera to take to shows
to
> > take
> > > > > video
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > > events and for training and sending to prospective
> buyers.
> > > Can
> > > > > > someone
> > > > > > > > > > > suggest a good medium priced video camera and what I
> need
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > > way
> > > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > > software to accomplice this.
> > > > > > > > > > > I am using XP Home SP2 Gateway 7200x 1gig mem 200gig
> hard
> > > > drive.
> > > > > > 3.2
> > > > > > > > > > > processor. Thanks
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