Re: Video Camera
- From: "Graham Hughes" <graham.hughes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2005 23:38:07 +0100
Yves, to be honest, unless you want record and play then it's no use buying
a dvd camcorder. The codecs used now are quite good and there is much less
blockiness in encoding the mpeg2 stream, but if you want to edit it, you are
limited to which app you can use, although more are now available, and what
you can edit to, as mpeg file structure is such that on the dvd cams I
believe i frmaes are every 15 frames, and these are your edit points. Plus
if you don't have a good editing app, you end up re-encoding the mpeg file
which is like taking a jpeg still, changing it and then saving as a jpeg
file again etc....
Mpeg streams are around 20 times less than dv-avi, so easily transported
through usb2.
Graham
--
Graham Hughes
MVP Digital Media
Laird of Glencairn
www.dvds2treasure.com
www.simplydv.com
"Yves Alarie" <rd50@@pitt.edu> wrote in message
news:eTjWwPTPFHA.1884@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> I have not seen camcorders with USB 2 other than a friend who has a new
Sony
> model recording on DVD.
> He seems please with it. Will have to give one a try and really
compare--too
> much subjectivity in comparing somebody else movies with mine when the
> content is so different.
>
> Previous Sony models recording on DVD were not that impressive so I have
> stayed with the MiniDV tape.
>
> "Graham Hughes" <graham.hughes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:unCUriNPFHA.3076@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Yves, yes some of the latest cams are using USB2 with cam control, but
> only
> > from the package they come with, the problems we then get are people
> > expecting that they can plug a usb2 cam in and use movie maker to
> capture,
> > just isn't happening yet.
> > Capture has to be done in real time, so USB 1 is a definate no.
> > I'm still in disgreement that they *work well* with USB 2
> > Most of the USB2 cams work best with compressed capture to dvd disc and
> the
> > like, where they have a smaller data stream to pass to the pc and can
> handle
> > it better. If you want quality then so far dv-avi still rules supreme, I
> > expect this will change when we get more hd technology along the lines
of
> > the sony fx-1 etc.
> >
> > Sorry for calling you John.....
> >
> > --
> > Graham Hughes
> > MVP Digital Media
> > Laird of Glencairn
> > www.dvds2treasure.com
> > www.simplydv.com
> >
> >
> > "Yves Alarie" <rd50@@pitt.edu> wrote in message
> > news:unFe2FKPFHA.164@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > I think that you will be surprised with the new camcorders using USB 2
> and
> > > full control of the camcorder with the software provided. At least
this
> is
> > > what I have been reading.
> > > I don't know how well they would work on USB 1
> > > but there is no doubt that they work well with USB 2.
> > > I certainly agree with you that firewire has been the way to work with
> > > camcorders (only way I can work with my camcorders) but things are
> > changing.
> > >
> > > "Graham Hughes" <graham.hughes@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > news:%23QoLOLIPFHA.3072@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Personally I wouldn't use USB even 2 for video work. Firewire was
> > designed
> > > > specifically for video work, it can cope with the continuous
transfer
> of
> > > > large amounts of data and you can control the cam from the editing
> > > software.
> > > > USB2 although speed rated faster than firewire, it is burst speed
> rather
> > > > than continuous and you'll find you have problems when working with
> > dv-avi
> > > > files. These are the best ones for video work.USB 1.1 will not work
> with
> > > > video capture in anyway. Cams may be described as having dv/ieee1394
> or
> > > > i-link which are all firewire by different names. Any dv cam should
> have
> > > > firewire.
> > > > Most cams these days have usb for download of stills taken by the
> memory
> > > > card, which you can't do using the firewire connection.
> > > > I would certainly go with Johns recommendation for Minidv, still the
> > best
> > > > for quality, and as he's already mentioned size, the best thing is
to
> go
> > > to
> > > > a shop and handle a few cams and see which you like the feel of and
> then
> > > ask
> > > > for help with those models.
> > > > I'm a canon man, prefering their colour rendition, whereas John
having
> > > used
> > > > Sony's may well look at a canon image and wonder why it doesn't look
> > right
> > > > to him.
> > > > You ask about accessories, a normal battery, once worn in will last
> > about
> > > > 45/60 mins with the viewfinder and most models you can get a longer
> > > lasting
> > > > battery, but beware, bigger batteries mean more weight, which may
> throw
> > > the
> > > > nice balance of the cam out. Get an nd or uv filter, best way to
> protect
> > > the
> > > > lens. A tripod is worth it's weight in gold for nice steady pictues,
> > > > especially if you want to sell people a horse, so get a good one,
> > > preferably
> > > > with a fluid head, but if you can't run to that, check them out for
> > > rigidity
> > > > and how smooth the pan is.
> > > > Also look for a cam with dv-in, so you can archive your material
back
> to
> > > > tape, still the best and cheapest way for doing this.
> > > > If you get a cam with av-in as well, you can use it for doing things
> > like
> > > > converting vhs tapes to the pc, recording the tv etc.
> > > > Do not be swayed by the vast digital zooms, they are useless.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Graham Hughes
> > > > MVP Digital Media
> > > > Laird of Glencairn
> > > > www.dvds2treasure.com
> > > > www.simplydv.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Yves Alarie" <rd50@@pitt.edu> wrote in message
> > > > news:OI9sABEPFHA.576@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Yes, USB is now coming on camcorder. It is USB 2 and will transfer
> > > almost
> > > > as
> > > > > fast as firewire. So no big difference here.
> > > > > If you have a desktop and you have USB 1 port, it will work but
the
> > > > transfer
> > > > > will be quite slow. You can purchase a USB 2 card and install it
in
> > your
> > > > > computer.
> > > > > Easy enough to do. No software to install. XP will recognize the
new
> > > card
> > > > > and install it automatically.
> > > > > A major problem with camcorder still remains: using them in low
> light
> > > > > situation. So if you plan using one for interior photography look
> > > closely
> > > > at
> > > > > the reviews on this item.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "walt" <walt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > > > news:724C1E0B-A448-4835-81D2-F6DFD06B9F8F@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > Well I can see I have a lot to look at. Is it important to have
a
> > > > firewire
> > > > > > port? I noticed on some of the models it just has a usb port.
> > > > > > Thanks for all the information.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Yves Alarie" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I think you have everything you need as far as hardware and
> > > software.
> > > > > Nero
> > > > > > > or Roxio?
> > > > > > > I use Roxio, a friend use Nero. They both get you there. I
don't
> > see
> > > a
> > > > > big
> > > > > > > difference between the two. Nero may be a little friendlier to
> use
> > > and
> > > > > since
> > > > > > > you have it I would stick with it.
> > > > > > > I don't think I would want to "recommend" a camcorder.
> > > > > > > I have used Sony TRV10, TRV20, TRV50 (these are already
> > discontinued
> > > > > > > models....anything over two years in this field is old and
over
> > > three
> > > > is
> > > > > > > senile) and very pleased with all three. All are MiniDV. Have
> been
> > > > > tempted
> > > > > > > with new Sony models recording on DVD instead of MiniDV but
the
> > > > quality
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > just not quite there yet. So pick a Canon or a Sony MiniDV in
> your
> > > > price
> > > > > > > range and right now good very good quality is from $800 to
1200,
> > and
> > > > > good
> > > > > > > quality from $600 to 800.
> > > > > > > I can tell you what I do not like. The pocket size. They are
> nice
> > to
> > > > > take
> > > > > > > along but I have a hard time working with them. The LCD is
just
> > too
> > > > > small
> > > > > > > for me. When shooting video you want to look at the LCD.
> > > Particularly
> > > > > when
> > > > > > > you are shooting action, like in your horse shows. A large LCD
> > > allows
> > > > > you to
> > > > > > > look at the action on the LCD and even lift your eyes from it
to
> > see
> > > > > were
> > > > > > > the action will be going on and move your camcorder smoothly
> > toward
> > > > it.
> > > > > You
> > > > > > > can't do this with a small LCD and you sure can't do this
using
> > the
> > > > > > > viewfinder, unless you are a pro camera person.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "walt" <walt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > > > > > news:4ABA4E3A-15A4-4F7B-AE50-15D483EAD4FA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > Thanks Yves, yes I do have two DVD drives double layer for
> > > burning.
> > > > I
> > > > > do
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > Nero that came with the computer and just got the upgrades
to
> 6.
> > > > > something
> > > > > > > > (they are free updates at their site). I also have Roxio on
my
> > old
> > > > > > > computer.
> > > > > > > > Do you think one is better then the other? I can upgrade my
> > Roxio,
> > > > but
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > will be about $50 for the 7.something. Could you recommend a
> > > minidv.
> > > > > And
> > > > > > > what
> > > > > > > > are the extra things that I will need. I know you always
need
> > > > > something
> > > > > > > extra
> > > > > > > > so everything works. I mean like an extra battery disks
(what
> > > size)
> > > > or
> > > > > > > > whatever else you would suggest. Thanks for the help.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Yves Alarie" wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Here is a good site for camcorder reviews:
> > > > > > > > >
http://www.camcorderinfo.com/d/Reviews&level_b=Camcorder.htm
> > > > > > > > > Canon/Sony. Difficult to go wrong with them.
> > > > > > > > > I would certainly go with the MiniDV tape format. Nothing
> > less.
> > > > > > > > > Your computer has all the resources to download the video
> from
> > > the
> > > > > tape,
> > > > > > > > > edit the tape and copy to a DVD disk to distribute the DVD
> to
> > > > > > > prospective
> > > > > > > > > buyers.
> > > > > > > > > To download the tape to your computer, you just use Movie
> > Maker
> > > 2,
> > > > > part
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > XP, or the software that will be supplied with the
> camcorder.
> > > > > > > > > To edit the tape (movie) once stored on the computer you
> again
> > > use
> > > > > Movie
> > > > > > > > > Maker 2 or the software that will be supplied with the
> > > camcorder.
> > > > > > > > > Now you have a "movie" file on your computer.
> > > > > > > > > You need to copy it to a DVD disk.
> > > > > > > > > To do this you need a DVD drive.
> > > > > > > > > You don't mention that you have such in your computer.
> > > > > > > > > If you don't have this, you will need to purchase such.
> > > > > > > > > Look for an external DVD drive that can be connected to
your
> > > > > computer
> > > > > > > via a
> > > > > > > > > Fire Wire port (you need this port to connect your
camcorder
> > to
> > > > your
> > > > > > > > > computer in order to download the content of the camcorder
> > tape
> > > to
> > > > > your
> > > > > > > hard
> > > > > > > > > drive) or a USB2 port (forget about USB1, too slow for
> video).
> > > > > > > > > Once you have this DVD drive connected to your computer,
you
> > can
> > > > > copy
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > movie from your hard drive to a DVD disk.
> > > > > > > > > To do this you will need software. Widely used are Roxio
and
> > > Nero
> > > > > > > copying
> > > > > > > > > software.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > "walt" <walt@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > > > > > > > news:8486F53E-CBF6-4BA2-B07E-A6D8F25EA0F2@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > > > I want to get a Movie Camera. I am partial to Canon. We
> > raise
> > > > and
> > > > > show
> > > > > > > > > > miniature horses. I want the camera to take to shows to
> take
> > > > video
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > events and for training and sending to prospective
buyers.
> > Can
> > > > > someone
> > > > > > > > > > suggest a good medium priced video camera and what I
need
> in
> > > the
> > > > > way
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > > software to accomplice this.
> > > > > > > > > > I am using XP Home SP2 Gateway 7200x 1gig mem 200gig
hard
> > > drive.
> > > > > 3.2
> > > > > > > > > > processor. Thanks
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