Re: There is just SOMETHING missing.
- From: BobOki <BobOki@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 05:11:27 -0800
Yes, it was a observation, no testing equipment was used. As for registry
entries, I used a few OTC registry cleaners, then finished it up by manually
deleeting all the entries left over I could find via searches. I manually
deleted ALL files/folders left over by those programs. I deleted a few well
known fonts as well. The machines were still VERY VERY noticiably slower than
original load with the programs added.
"Glen" wrote:
But its well known that even if you uninstall programs there is still files.
and registry keys that remain. This will always add up over time and you
will never remove them all. I saw a magazine that did a fresh install of
windows and noted folder sizes, installed programs then uninstalled and
noted how much was left over. I have no idea how it would affect speed but I
guess it must.
The quoted speed differences how did you arrive at the figure of 150% -
200%. Was that shown by testing software or just your own observations?
~
Glen P
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"BobOki" <BobOki@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Not all of my machines have no swap or do. I have done MANY of them with
swap
files. My last test I posted on was without a swap file.
The exact thing happens either way.. the system slows down, and no matter
what I do to the system, it will NEVER regain even near its original speed
with the same programs loaded fresh.
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:
You need the swap file, generally the best setting is System Managed.
This can explain a lot:
http://aumha.org/search.htm
--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar
http://www.dts-l.org
"BobOki" <BobOki@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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After MANY tests on multiple machines, I have come to the realization
that
we
are missing SOMETHING that affects performance.
I took a test box, loaded it up with software, let it run for a few
weeks
until it slowed down. I then uninstalled ALL programs that were on that
pc,
then cleaned up the regisrty of all old values and invalid values. I
cleaned
out the left over directories, I did diskcleanups, and defraged using
both
MS
defrag and diskeeper. The machine never touched the net as it was
stand-alone
so no viruses or spyware to worry about.
The machine has NO swap file (2 gig ram).
Yet after ALL that the machine was still MUCH slower than a default
load,
and even MUCH slower than it was before I started it through its grind
run
but after all the applications were installed.
In essesnce, it slowed down, and I removed everything that was on
there,
and
it is still slow.
A total reload of the OS, and it was back to BLAZING flast again (A
good
150-200% faster).
So, there is SOMETHING, SOMEWHERE in windows that is retaining old
data,
filling up, slowing down, causing machines performance to degrade
without
us
being able to regain the speed. WHAT can it be?
A tad more info on my test box, NO new drivers, programs, ANYTHING was
loaded once my defualt setup was completed. It never touched the
network
(nor
did it even have a nic) and no external data was loaded or saved. It
was
just
a machine, with some programs and a game or two that I used until it
slowed
down.
The machine itself was a home built box running XP pro sp2.
1.3ghz, 2gig ram, Ati x800, 80 gig sata, with a sb audigy2. All latest
drivers and updates were loaded before I started the testing, including
ms
updates. Firewall was turned off, swap file set to no swap (not 0).
Programs loaded: Office 2003 pro, Adobe Photoshop CS2, American Mcgee's
Alice, diskeeper 10 pro, Sim2, and quicken 2005.
I have tried a few other machines kinda in this way before, and always
came
to the same conclusion... SOMETHING is being missed by EVERYONE. I
scoured
the net trying to find my solutions, all webpages, "experts", and
techies
all
said the same stuff... "clean registry, unload programs, clean files,
disk
cleanup, swap file fragmentation, spyware/virus clean" I even have
tries a
few silly ntfs hacks like turning off the dos mode, turning off dep,
etcetc.
The BEST I can come up with by doing all the above cleans and all on a
regular basis is keeping my pc DECENTLY fast, but no where even close
to
as
fast as reloading the machine and reinstalling all the programs and
importing
the data back on.
Hell, I have MY machine (watercooled 3.2ghz 1meg cache, 2 gig pc4200,
10krpm
sata, ati x800 256, sb audigy2, linksys wireless card) running for 1
1/2
years now (fully patches and drivers up to date and cleaned and
defraged
as
described above QUITE often)that a freshly loaded 1.5ghz, 512meg,
100gig
7200
rpm ide, ati 9600, linksys wirelss, loaded with the SAME programs and
data
ran FASTER.
HELP A Systems Engineer of 20 years now figure out WTF we are MISSING.
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