Re: Restore vs Backup

Well, I already have imaging software installed, I have Nero (I would not 
use a Norton's product ever again even if you held a gun to my head  :=) 
They are crap IMO... but that is a topic for another day).  I may just try a 
custom sslection of the folders and data I want, along with the sys state 
components;  that option seems to provide for making a boot floppy as part 
of the task.

In any case, it seems what you are saying is I am out of luck.  Oh well.... 
It is a shame that MS dropped the ability to easily make an emergency rescue 
disk like we used to be able to do with earlier versions.  Even that piece 
of OS art known as Windows 98 SE had that function.

I probably will never need it, it is just something that, until now, I 
always maintained.  BTW this is for my new PC for my home business, not a 
network machine;  making images is not as easy a task on a single machine 
stand-alone system as it is on a work station, but Nero can do it.

-- 
Pete B

"Ted Zieglar" <teddy.z@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message 
news:eus6nA3JGHA.2336@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Your goal is best achieved with disk imaging software. Some popular 
> choices
> (no order is intended):
>
> Norton Ghost 10
> http://www.symantec.com/home_homeoffice/products/backup_recovery/ghost10/index.html
>
> Acronis True Image 9
> http://www.acronis.com/homecomputing/products/trueimage/
>
> Image for Windows http://www.terabyteunlimited.com/imagew.html
> -- 
> Ted Zieglar
> "You can do it if you try."
>
> "Pete B" <petebarnes@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:e4K5Xo2JGHA.3728@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> OK thanks.  Maybe I am not being specific enough as to what my purpose is
> in
>> all this, it is pretty simple.  I want to, essentially, back up my PC to
> the
>> point where, if it totally crashes, say with a BSD when I try to boot up
>> that will not let me boot up. I want to be able to do an emergency boot
> from
>> a floppy or bootable CD and then restore my system to whatever state I 
>> had
>> in that backup.  I want to back up all my data files and all the files 
>> and
>> info that WinXP needs to get me back to the state I was in when I made 
>> the
>> backup, so I can recover from the crash.
>>
>> Backup wizard gives me an option to save all files and info which it says
> it
>> will follow the save by then creating a boot floppy, but that is not what
> I
>> want because it tries to save everything on the HDD.  I don't need to do
>> that, I just need to save the dynamic personal data and the Windows
> recovery
>> stuff.  If I lose the software apps itself, it will be a pain but I can
>> always go back and reinstall all of those, so I don't need to save that
> 30GB
>> of files for the programs themselves and such.
>>
>> I can do the Backup Advanced, where I select manually, and select the
>> Automated Sys Rec Wizard but that tries to save the whole partition.  Or 
>> I
>> can select the Backup tab and individually select the folders and the
> system
>> state components, but does that follow with a boot floppy creation if I 
>> do
>> it?  Seems to me that would let me select exactly what to save, but I
> still
>> may not be getting all that I need to recover from a failure.
>>
>> It was easier in the old versions of Windows, you could just tell Windows
>> Setup to create a bootable CD and it would do the rest.  This XP method
>> seems highly complicated.   That is really my whole goal here.  So what
>> should I do?
>>
>> And I surely wish MS would make the Backup util so it would save direct 
>> to
> a
>> DVD-R or DVD-RW drive.....
>>
>> -- 
>> Pete B
>>
>>
>> "Bert Kinney" <bert@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:%232mp$TtJGHA.648@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Hi Pete,
>> >
>> > <Snip from the following article>
>> > System State data includes the following:
>> > Boot files, including the system files
>> > Files protected by Windows File Protection (WFP)
>> > The registry
>> > Performance counter configuration information
>> > The Component Services class registration database
>> >
>> > Windows XP Resource Kit: Backing Up and Restoring Data
>> >
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/reskit/c14621675.mspx#EFAA
>> >
>> > What's restored and what's not using System Restore:
>> >
>> >    * Restored
>> >         Registry (note: some current values will persist)
>> >         Profiles (local only?roaming user profiles not impacted by
>> > restore)
>> >         COM+ DB
>> >         WFP.dll cache
>> >         WMI DB
>> >         IIS Metabase
>> >         Files with extensions listed in the Monitored File Extensions
> list
>> >    * Not Restored
>> >         DRM settings
>> >         SAM hives (does not restore passwords)
>> >         WPA settings (Windows authentication information is not
> restored)
>> >         Contents of the My Documents folder(s)
>> >         Specific directories/files listed in the Monitored File
> Extensions
>> > list
>> >         Any file with an extension not listed in the Monitored File
>> > Extensions list
>> >         Items listed in both Filesnottobackup and KeysnottoRestore
>> > (hklm->system->controlset001->control->backuprestore->filesnottobackup
> and
>> > keysnottorestore)
>> >         User-created data stored in the user profile
>> >         Contents of redirected folders
>> >
>> > -- 
>> > Regards,
>> > Bert Kinney MS-MVP Shell/User
>> > http://bertk.mvps.org
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Pete B wrote:
>> >> Thanks, Ted.  What I specifically was wondering about, though,is
>> >> backup of the system state components in Backup, not the whole
>> >> Windows installation (or is that what system state components means).
>> >> Backing up my whole Windows installation would, I presume, require a
>> >> lot more than just the system state components, right?
>> >>
>> >> What specifically is included or not included in that group called
>> >> sytem state components in Backup?  Are there other things that are
>> >> saved/restored with the System Restore util that would not be part of
>> >> that selection? Understand I am talking about doing a custom Backup,
>> >> where you select exactly what is backed up;  one of the selections
>> >> under advanced mode is the system state components.
>> >>
>> >> Of course, I suppose I might find some of the answers by reading the
>> >> technet article  :=).
>> >>
>> >> Which I just did.  But I am still not clear what the difference is
>> >> between Backup and Sys Restore in this respect.  Is it better to use
>> >> System Restore or Backup before, say, installing a new software app
>> >> that one does not know all that well?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> "Ted Zieglar" <teddy.z@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >> news:efzmGrdJGHA.964@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>> Good question. When you backup your entire system, you include your
>> >>> entire Windows installation. A restore point only contains the
>> >>> registry and certain
>> >>> key system and user files.
>> >>>
>> >>> "Frequently Asked Questions Regarding System Restore in Windows XP"
>> >>>
> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/plan/faqsrwxp.mspx
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Ted Zieglar
>> >>> "You can do it if you try."
>> >>>
>> >>> "Pete B" <petebarnes@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> >>> news:%23yE%233TdJGHA.312@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> >>>> What is the difference in WinXP Pro between saving a System Restore
>> >>>> point,
>> >>>> as compared to saving a system backup using the Backup utility to
>> >>>> save the
>> >>>> system state components?  Other than the preference of Backup to use
>> >>>> external storage media, I mean....
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Is there any KB article or Tech info that describes exactly what
>> >>>> each utility does in detail like this?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --
>> >>>> Pete B
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
> 


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