Re: SP2 Not a Problem; it's a Learning Curve
From: Jupiter Jones [MVP] (jones_jupiter_at_hotnomail.com)
Date: 08/31/04
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Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2004 17:21:12 -0600
The amount of learning necessary is largely determined by how they get
and what they do with their computer.
See my post to Michael.
Also even more important is learning to properly maintain the
computer.
Many have not gotten that far as is still evidenced by the Blaster
posts still regularly coming in.
Many issues including Blaster, Sasser and more would be non issues if
more learned to properly maintain the computer.
Whether people like it or not, they need to learn a fair amount or
they must accept the substandard performance of the insecure systems
they already have.
Other assumptions of yours are just plain wrong.
-- Jupiter Jones [MVP] http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/ "Sandman" <peterf41@bellsouth.net> wrote in message news:uPGy%23y6jEHA.1652@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... >u seem to scoff at the learning curve. > Can you name anything at all with a degree of complexity that has no > learning curve? > Once you determine that, perhaps you can help Microsoft to eliminate > the necessary learning curve with an update such as SP-2. > > The average PC user doesn't wanna fool with all this techi > stuff; > they want the PC to work, period..not one of these people (i bet) > thought > that a 'fix' from Microsoft would involve them getting involved in > disabling > features and re-install of drivers , software versions, etc! > Once again, you are apologizing for Microsoft........ a patch of > this > magnitude is NOT to be tackled lightly and the average PC user > hasn't a clue > what to do, but like a good trusting customer, downloaded this to > find he > has to actually 'learn' something about infra structure, .dll and > cab , > drivers , why his HD has disappeared from My Computer, why he > suddenly can't > access his USB PenDrive or his USB ports, what a black screen > monitor means > etc etc... > You seem to be ignoring what would seem to be a fact and not > responding to > it here; Most people don't wanna know anything about troubleshooting > this > beta, they simply want it to work....They have, in the past, > downloaded > 'Hotfixes' from WU site and most have been fine; fixing stuff in the > background.. > BIG SURPRISE folks.. You are gonna have to do some homework and > maybe buy a > whole new machine, according to one suggestion I read here... > My guess is you do know a great deal about computers, and very > little about > people. The 'average' PCconsumer.. > > > "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message > news:O9iETqvjEHA.704@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl... >> There is a very easy way to avoid all the possible installation >> issues >> with SP-2. >> There would be no hardware or software compatibility issues. >> >> Order a NEW computer from a reliable OEM already shipping Windows >> XP >> with SP-2 already installed. >> They would have verified all compatibility issues and resolved them >> in >> advance. >> The computers would all be free of viruses, spyware and other >> malware >> causing much of the SP-2 installation issues. >> This is something relatively easy for the OEM but impossible for >> Microsoft. >> Microsoft has no control what software is already installed, useful >> or >> malware. >> There is an almost limitless variety of hardware, again, Microsoft >> has >> no control here. >> Since no two computers are identical, it would be impossible for >> Microsoft (or any other group) to test anything including a Service >> Pack on all configurations. >> >> You seem to scoff at the learning curve. >> Can you name anything at all with a degree of complexity that has >> no >> learning curve? >> Once you determine that, perhaps you can help Microsoft to >> eliminate >> the necessary learning curve with an update such as SP-2. >> >> Service Pack 2 installs with no problems on most computers. >> For the others, it may be time for the users to learn more about >> the >> computer or take the computer to a reputable technician. >> But no one suggested the installation would be flawless on all >> computers. >> >> Finally, luck has nothing to do with it. >> Taking proper care of the computer is the best. >> Those who rely on luck are more prone to SP-2 issues since they are >> not relying on intelligent computing. >> >> -- >> Jupiter Jones [MVP] >> http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/ >> >> >> "Sandman" <peterf41@bellsouth.net> wrote in message >> news:eJ2awVujEHA.3608@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... >> > We have been cautioned here that myself and others are over >> > exaggerating >> > the 'problems' with SP2; >> > One MVP told me it has 'a learning curve' and further, we must >> > learn >> > more >> > about how to use our computers. That SP2 is a stable and solid >> > product..(i >> > didn't say that) >> > >> > So, in reading here, i see others are being told to do some or >> > all >> > of the >> > following.. (in no particular order) >> > Go to the website of your hardware provider (assuming you even >> > know >> > who >> > the OEM company that provides the various components are) find >> > the >> > part # of >> > the hardware and see if there is a patch, firmware or whatever.. >> > Disable This before doing That.. Uninstall This... Then >> > Re-install That. >> > ....Re-configure This. reload your USB support. Delete your USB >> > entrees in >> > control Panel first.... Buy a newer graphics card. Defrag Delete >> > Update...............................isn't this fun?... >> > >> > Then you might have to find the homepage of the software >> > provider >> > who >> > sells the particular program you have that doesn't function now >> > and >> > see what >> > they say.. More fun. But wait; Microsoft has provided a long >> > list >> > of >> > 'incompatibilities'....... >> > This reminds me, however vaguely, of the Roxio debacle when XP >> > was first >> > released some years ago.. The 'native burning software' was a >> > horribly >> > hobbled version of some Roxio stuff that didn't function very >> > well >> > and Roxio >> > spent alot of time and money trying to patch it i would bet. In >> > all >> > fairness >> > i must add that it finally got 'fixed' but not before a lot of >> > angry >> > people >> > like me invaded this Newsgroup and Roxios' looking for some >> > relief. >> > Downloading compatibility patches, more than several too....Some >> > of >> > the >> > problems were as serious as affecting Control Panel.....It was >> > clearly >> > messy....Microsoft said very little compared to Roxio.... >> > >> > But, stop whining and 'put a diaper on it' You wimps,!!!!!! >> > remember, >> > I was admonished, (to repeat what I was told) this is an >> > opportunity to >> > 'learn more about your PC" and take the time to adjust to the >> > learning curve >> > that MVP mentioned. Most people will probably never have reason >> > to >> > take the >> > side panel off their PC and wouldn't know a PCI slot from an IDE >> > connector; >> > they just want the machine to do it all and that includes >> > software; >> > in this >> > situation, SP2. >> > >> > Yes, I too come here for help, and like one MVP said, 'you >> > don't >> > see >> > healthy people going to hospitals; i.e. people who are not sick, >> > (yup, it is >> > a very good help newsgroup overall) but i do get a sick feeling >> > when >> > someone >> > seems to be an apologist for Microsoft by telling me what I am >> > saying is >> > incorrect and wrong and further, the problems brought here about >> > SP2 >> > are NOT >> > problems with the patch, but a 'learning curve'.. >> > It is a patch, pure and simple.. And all that that term entails. >> > >> > Luckily, my Windows XP Pro install is very stable and i >> > believe >> > XP is >> > the very best OS Redmond has done.. Without a doubt....! >> > Microsoft >> > can't be >> > blamed, honestly, for all the hackers, trojans etc etc who have >> > messed with >> > it and will continue to do so, across the Web, yet I will take my >> > chances, >> > for the foreseeable future anyway, and wait awhile before >> > installing >> > this >> > Service Pack... >> > The rest of you; Good Luck. >> >> > >
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