Re: Back up
From: Wesley Vogel (123WVogel955_at_comcast.net)
Date: 03/19/04
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 21:00:01 GMT
Rocky;
And your point is...?
-- Hope this helps. Let us know. Wes In news:ujpcg7cDEHA.2600@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl, Rocket J. Squirrel <rocky@bullwinkle.com> hunted and pecked: > Before you jump on ntbackup and call it worthless, consider this: Are > there people on the Microsoft campus who know how to write excellent > backup software? I think so. Is Microsoft prepared to be sued for > bundling backup software into Windows? I don't think so. > > Rocky > > "Wesley Vogel" <123WVogel955@comcast.net> wrote in message > news:rWE6c.38943$JL2.449979@attbi_s03... >> Jeff; >> >> I knew NTbackup on XP Home was worthless, >> but I didn't realize how worthless. >> >> Interesting article. >> >> -- >> Hope this helps. Let us know. >> Wes >> >> In news:WTt6c.19955$4B1.15196@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com, >> mrtee <hingelicker@new$.rr.com> hunted and pecked: >>> It wont do you any good to get it because it doesn't work (to do an >>> Automated System Restore (ASR)) in XP home. >>> >>> The following is from Woody's XP Watch #2.05 (2/4/2002): >>> >>> Last week I promised you that I would tell you about backup >>> techniques for Windows XP/Home. If you'll recall, I told you that >>> Windows XP/Pro has a downright decent backup and restore wizard, >>> which runs as part of Automated System Recovery, accessible by >>> clicking Start | All Programs | Accessories | System Tools | Backup. >>> I also told you about the way Microsoft decided to include the >>> backup half of the wizard in Windows XP/Home but, uh, neglected to >>> include the restore part. In my WinXP book, I say "that makes >>> XP/Home's backup just about as useful as a Ferrari Testarossa with >>> no wheels." If you really, really want to use the ASR backup >>> routine in XP/Home (it's the NTBackup program that Windows 2000 >>> users have come to know and love), you can install it from the >>> Windows XP/Home CD. To do so, put the XP/Home CD in your CD drive. >>> When the installer asks, "What do you want to do?" click "Perform >>> additional tasks" then "Browse this CD", navigate to >>> VALUEADD\MSFT\NTBACKUP and double-click NTBACKUP.MSI. >>> >>> But don't bother installing the program until you've the rest of >>> this newsletter. It should send a chill down your spine. >>> >>> I tried a few experiments and learned a few surprising things about >>> XP/Home backup. There's an MS Knowledge Base article that's supposed >>> to tell you what you need to do in order to perform an XP/Home >>> restore, but I tried and tried and couldn't make heads from tails >>> out of the article. The boot diskette generated by the backup >>> program, following the description in the KB article, doesn't work >>> on any of my systems. The steps detailed there for creating a >>> backup file do work - you have to manually override the wizard's >>> settings - but in the end, the backup isn't much use. >>> >>> Microsoft outright lies in their Knowledge Base article Q309340 >>> where it says the restore feature "applies to Microsoft Windows XP >>> Home Edition" when it most assuredly does not - any backup that you >>> make in XP/Home is essentially worthless. Even if you tell the >>> XP/Home "Backup or Restore Wizard" to restore the entire contents >>> of the c: drive, it misses parts. >>> >>> The only way I found to restore the c: drive, after using NTBACKUP >>> to create a backup file was to boot from the Windows XP/Home CD, >>> completely delete the partition that held Windows, re-install >>> WinXP/Home, re-install NTBACKUP using the steps I outlined above, >>> and immediately run the restore using the Advanced settings in the >>> wizard. >>> >>> You know the worst part of it all? At every turn, it appears as if >>> everything is working correctly, No error message. No warnings. No >>> nothing. The Knowledge Base articles occasionally warn you that the >>> procedures don't work with XP/Home - then go ahead and give you >>> specific steps for performing the procedures that don't work! Unless >>> somebody's clued you in, you'll only get heartburn over XP/Home's >>> clueless backup when you need it - and find out that it didn't do >>> what it was supposed to do. >>> >>> Trustworthy computing, eh? >>> >>> So now I've spoiled all your illusions about Backups in Windows XP >>> what can you do? In the next issue I'll tell you what I do and what >>> options you can try. >>> >>> From #2.06 (2/12/2002): >>> >>> There are a million ways to back up your system, and at least a half >>> million of them work. >>> >>> I've been playing the backup game for a long time, and I've only >>> bumped into three basic scenarios where I really needed a backup. >>> Mind you, I'm not a major multinational corporation, and I don't >>> have a server farm. Although I do have an orchid farm. But that's >>> another story. >>> >>> I need backups for three reasons. >>> >>> First, sometimes my c: drive dies. When that happens, I need to >>> stick a new drive in the machine, boot, restore the hard drive, >>> restore my data, and get going. I also lose at least two hanks of >>> hair and at least one night of sleep. >>> >>> Second, sometimes I screw up a file so badly I need to go back and >>> retrieve an earlier copy. When that happens, I know about it right >>> away: I shout and kick the computer and swear a few times, then go >>> spelunking to look for an old copy of the file. >>> >>> Third, on rare occasions, I'll make a change that needs to be undone >>> and not catch it right away. I can only think of a couple of times >>> I've done that, and it usually involves dial-up networking settings >>> - I get the wrong password typed in, or I forget the name of a mail >>> server, or something else equally obscure, and it's a couple of days >>> later before I realize that I changed something I shouldn't have. >>> >>> The technique I use for backup works very well for the second kind >>> of problem, and pretty well for the first kind. It doesn't do beans >>> for the third type. >>> >>> My method is really simple. I like it that way. >>> >>> 1. All my PCs have two hard drives. The second one is primarily for >>> backups, but I'll also stick device drivers and Service Packs and >>> other not-critical-but-a-pain-to-download files on the second drive. >>> The second drive also has copies of my old Outlook files, which I >>> cycle manually once a month. >>> >>> 2. Every week or two (or whenever I'm going to do something fun like >>> install new software) I run PowerQuest's Drive Image and create a >>> full backup image of my main boot drive on the secondary drive. >>> Drive Image generates boot disks and all the other goodies >>> necessary to recovery from a crashed c: drive. >>> >>> 3. Every day - usually at the end of the day, I run a little batch >>> file that copies all of my important data files from the main hard >>> drive onto the backup drive. This is really a bailing wire 'n >>> chewing gum approach, but it works fine for me. To make your own >>> batch file that copies your data files from the c: drive to the d: >>> drive, just do this: >>> >>> a.. Right-click on the desktop, pick New | Text document >>> b.. Immediately type the name backup.bat and hit Enter. Windows >>> will warn you not to change the file name extension. Which is really >>> weird because Windows doesn't bother to show you file name >>> extensions in the first place, but such is the Wonder of Windows. >>> What you have is an old-fashioned batch file. >>> c.. Right-click on the new backup.bat file and pick Edit >>> d.. Type in this line: >>> xcopy "c:\Documents and Settings\*.*" "d:\Backup" /d /e /c /h /y >>> >>> a.. Close backup.bat. >>> b.. When you want to run a backup, double-click on backup.bat. The >>> first time you run it, Windows will ask if you're trying to create a >>> file or directory. Type "d" for directory. After the first time, >>> it'll run without a hitch. >>> Hate to disappoint you, but that's my entire backup strategy. >>> >>> That strategy might not suit you, not all of us have to install beta >>> versions of Office and Windows from time to time. >>> >>> XP/Home users have some other options. For example, Microsoft has a >>> set of six (six!) setup boot diskettes that you can download. Those >>> diskettes will let you boot from your floppy drive, so you can run >>> Windows XP setup from the CD, if your computer won't boot from the >>> CD. >>> >>> >>> The archives are at http://www.woodyswatch.com/winxp/archives.asp. >>> >>> MS was originally not even going to include ntbackup in XP home but >>> (apparently) someone talked them into including it, with reduced >>> functionality. >>> >>> I used ASR with XP pro, it worked as advertised. However I now use >>> an imaging program from www.acronis.com TrueImage which works very >>> easily and does the job much better. >>> >>> Look on your XP CD in the value added folder for ntbackup.msi if you >>> want to try it. >>> >>> -- >>> Just my 2¢ worth >>> Jeff >>> __________in response to__________ >>> >>> "Bill Pinkel" <bpinkel@aol.com> wrote in message >>> news:d01201c40d4b$84a85870$a601280a@phx.gbl... >>>> I have Windows XP Home Edition. I click "Start", "All >>>> Programs", "Accessories", "System Tools", and there is >>>> no "Backup" shown. It states "Activate Windows" but I >>>> know that Windows is activated. I have seen other >>>> computers with the "Backup" listed in the "Systems >>>> Tools". How do I get it???
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