RE: Windows Explorer

From: Robert Davies (robert_at_genesys-hrs.com)
Date: 02/08/04 

Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 16:33:44 -0800

Joe

Thanks for your offer of assistance. However, I can't
find a file called boot.ini on either drive, even wih all
files unhidden.

Robert
>-----Original Message-----
>Hello Robert,
>
>Thank you for your reply and I appreciate your time and
efforts on this
>problem. To remove the parallel operating systems from
the computer, we can
>try the following steps to remove one of the Operating
Systems.
>
>Step1. Modify the C:\boot.ini to restore it to the
original status.
>
>Step2. Remove the operating system's \WINDOWS folder.
>
>Step3. Remove the "Program Files" folder created by that
OS, if the
>applications in the folder are useless.
>
>To remove the new system safely, please send the
C:\BOOT.ini file to me at
>joewu@microsoft.com and let me know which the new system
locates.
>
>I will modify the boot.ini file for you.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Regards,
>Joe Wu
>Product Support Services
>Microsoft Corporation
>
>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
>
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>|Hi, Joe. I'm back after a very busy period of work
which
>|precluded my following up on your advice. However, I
have
>|now carried out the parallel installation.
>|
>|I took some time to free up space on the D-drive for the
>|parallel instal, and defragged the drive twice.
(Windows
>|hasn't let me defrag for a while because there hasn't
been
>|15% free space on the drive.)
>|
>|When running on the parallel OS, the 'big' folder (which
>|now contains 0 files and 63 sub-folders, with 212,000
>|files / 34.3 GB in the sub-folders) now takes 1 minute
and
>|10 seconds to display. This is a great improvement on
>|what happened previously, but when I went back to the
>|original Windows installation, I found that that also
now
>|takes 1 minute and 10 seconds, so the improvement must
be
>|down to defragging and not to having a clean Windows
setup.
>|
>|I don't know if you feel that 1 Min 10 is OK for reading
a
>|folder of that size, but the lesson seems to be to
defrag
>|regularly. I would certainly like it to be quicker, but
I
>|can live with the current performance.
>|
>|By the way, I also uninstalled PaintShop Pro, but that
>|made no difference at all.
>|
>|A final question - How do I get rid of the 'extra'
Windows
>|system now ?!
>|
>|Thanks for your help.
>|
>|Robert
>|>-----Original Message-----
>|>Hello Rebert,
>|>
>|>Thank you for your reply.
>|>
>|>I think it is not normal that the process lasts 3
minutes
>|and 20 seconds.
>|>Based on the current status, I would like to provide
the
>|following
>|>suggestions:
>|>
>|>1. Let's install a parallel Windows XP system on a
>|partition with enough
>|>free space and check if the problem occurs in the newly
>|created system. If
>|>not, it indicates that the problem is related to a
>|certain application or
>|>configurations on the current system. (Note: Please do
>|NOT install the
>|>parallel system into the current system partition.)
>|>
>|>This can efficiently help us narrow down the problem's
>|scope.
>|>
>|>For more information, please refer to:
>|>
>|>266465 HOW TO: Perform a Parallel Installation of
Windows
>|2000
>|>http://support.microsoft.com/?id=266465
>|>
>|>Note: The above method also applies to Windows XP.
>|>
>|>2. Does the problem occur to other folder which
contains
>|a large number of
>|>subfolders and common files? If not, I would like to
>|suggest that we
>|>temporarily uninstall the PaintShop Pro software to
check
>|if it is related
>|>to this problem.
>|>
>|>I look forward to your reply. Thanks!
>|>
>|>Regards,
>|>Joe Wu
>|>Product Support Services
>|>Microsoft Corporation
>|>
>|>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
>|>
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>|>|From: "Robert Davies" <robert@genesys-hrs.com>
>|>|Sender: "Robert Davies" <robert@genesys-hrs.com>
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>|>|Subject: RE: Windows Explorer
>|>|Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:35:21 -0800
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>|>|Hello, Joe. I'm back with the results of the tests
you
>|>|suggested.
>|>|
>|>|1. I cannot follow Malcolm's suggestion as I do not
run
>|>|Photoshop on my machine. Therefore there is no such
tab
>|>|under Properties for a jpeg file. I use PaintShop Pro
4
>|>|for image reprocessing (old, I know, but it does
>|>|everything I need without the complexities of the
newer
>|>|versions) and JASC Media Center 3 for thumbnailing. I
>|have
>|>|reset the file associations for all image formats to
>|>|PaintShop Pro.
>|>|
>|>|2.1 I created a new user account, although I could
not
>|>|follow the steps you set out as there is no item
>|>|for 'Local Users and groups' under Computer Management
>|on
>|>|my setup. I used Control Panel -> User Accounts
instead.
>|>|
>|>|2.2 I uninstalled MacAfee and ZoneAlarm, rebooted,
>|logged
>|>|on the new account and read the famous directory. No
>|>|change - still 3 minutes and 20 seconds.
>|>|
>|>|3. In answer to your final question, it takes 3 mins
20
>|>|seconds to open and display the folder that contains
61
>|>|folders and 0 files. It then takes a further time to
>|open
>|>|and display each of the 61 folders. These folders
>|contain
>|>|anywhere from zero to 20,000 files and they take about
>|0.5
>|>|seconds to open per 1000 files of content, so the
>|largest
>|>|take a further 10 seconds.
>|>|
>|>|Robert
>|>|
>|>|
>|>|>-----Original Message-----
>|>|>Hello Robert,
>|>|>
>|>|>Thank you for keeping in touch and for taking the
time
>|to
>|>|perform the tests.
>|>|>
>|>|>Let's collect more information for further analysis:
>|>|>
>|>|>1. Have you tested Malcolm's suggestion (unchecking
>|>|the "Generate
>|>|>Thumbnails" button on the Photoshop Image tab). I
think
>|>|that the suggestion
>|>|>is reasonable and we can give it a try.
>|>|>
>|>|>2. Since there is only one Windows XP operating
system.
>|I
>|>|would like to
>|>|>suggest that we perform the following tests:
>|>|>
>|>|>1) Please create a new user with Administrators
>|>|priviliges and then logon
>|>|>as the newly created user to see if it works. This
test
>|>|can help us isolate
>|>|>if the problem is related to the user settings.
>|>|>
>|>|>How to create a new user account:
>|>|>--------------------------------------------
>|>|>a. Click on Start->Settings->Control Panel.
>|>|>b. Click Administrative Tools.
>|>|>c. Click Computer Management.
>|>|>d. Click Local Users and Groups.
>|>|>e. Double-click Users.
>|>|>f. On Action menu, click New User item.
>|>|>g. Now, please create a new user account.
>|>|>h. Click Local Users and Groups.
>|>|>i. Double-click Group and click Administrators in the
>|>|right pane.
>|>|>j. On Action menu, click Add to Group item.
>|>|>k. Click Add button, and then add the newly created
>|user
>|>|account to the
>|>|>Administrators group.
>|>|>l. Logoff and login with the newly created user
account.
>|>|>
>|>|>2) Please temporarily uninstall all the firewall and
>|anti-
>|>|virus tools,
>|>|>including Norton anti-virus, Internet Security, etc.
>|Then
>|>|reboot your
>|>|>system and try to perform the test to see if the
>|problem
>|>|occurs. Based on
>|>|>our experience, these kinds of applications run in
the
>|>|background
>|>|>monitoring the file system, and may affect the system
>|>|performance,
>|>|>especially when the number of the files are very
large.
>|>|>
>|>|>NOTE:
>|>|>---------------
>|>|>
>|>|>a. Please uninstall it instead of disabling it. If we
>|>|just disable it, a
>|>|>lot of drivers are still running in the background
and
>|>|they will cause the
>|>|>issue, thus the test result may be incorrect.
>|>|>b. After uninstalling these applications, please do
NOT
>|>|surf the Internet
>|>|>and do NOT open any doubtful attachments in your
>|received
>|>|e-mails.
>|>|>
>|>|>3. You stated that there are 224,708 files jpg files
in
>|>|your 61 subfolders,
>|>|>and it takes 3 minutes and 20 seconds to open a
folder.
>|>|Could let me know
>|>|>how many files in that folder?
>|>|>
>|>|>Thanks!
>|>|>
>|>|>Regards,
>|>|>Joe Wu
>|>|>Product Support Services
>|>|>Microsoft Corporation
>|>|>
>|>|>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
>|>|>
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>|>|>|From: "Robert Davies" <robert@genesys-hrs.com>
>|>|>|Sender: "Robert Davies" <robert@genesys-hrs.com>
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>|>|>|Subject: RE: Windows Explorer
>|>|>|Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 15:15:43 -0800
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>|>|>|Sorry about the big delay - I've been away for
>|>|Christmas.
>|>|>|Thanks for all the posts.
>|>|>|
>|>|>|I have done as Joe Wu asked and I have the following
>|>|>|results. I have used the single largest folder that
I
>|>|>|have accumulated. It is 2 levels below the root of
>|>|Drive
>|>|>|D (Western Digital 80 GB) and it contains 61 folders
>|and
>|>|0
>|>|>|files. However, between them, these 61 sub-folders
>|>|>|contain 224,708 files (all jpeg's) occupying 36.1GB !
>|>|>|
>|>|>|To read the folder for the first time, Windows
>|Explorer
>|>|>|takes 3 minutes and 20 seconds in normal mode, 3
>|minutes
>|>|>|and 50 seconds in safe mode. (I have timed it
several
>|>|>|times and these results are repeatable.) Both these
>|>|>|figures are with Explorer in 'List' mode - I rarely
>|need
>|>|>|to use 'Details' mode so I don't know what the
timings
>|>|>|would be for that.
>|>|>|
>|>|>|I do not have access to another XP machine so I
cannot
>|>|try
>|>|>|the third test in Joe's post. However, I can say
that
>|>|>|this disk used to be in a machine running Win98SE
and
>|>|was
>|>|>|formatted FAT32. Its response time with an
identical
>|>|>|folder structure and identical numbers of files was
>|>|almost
>|>|>|instantaneous (which is why I believe that this
>|problem
>|>|is
>|>|>|NTFS-related). When I got my current machine I
>|stripped
>|>|>|everything off the disk and low-level formatted it
to
>|>|NTFS
>|>|>|so there is no residue that might be affecting its
>|>|>|performance. As I have previously mentioned, Drive
D
>|is
>|>|>|used solely for data and there are no system files
on
>|it.
>|>|>|
>|>|>|Robert
>|>|>|
>|>|>|>-----Original Message-----
>|>|>|>
>|>|>|>>-----Original Message-----
>|>|>|>>Hello,
>|>|>|>>
>|>|>|>>Thank you for your posts.
>|>|>|>>
>|>|>|>>Actually, the system is expected to spend a bit
>|longer
>|>|>|>than normal to list
>|>|>|>>a large number of objects in a folder. If
possible,
>|I
>|>|>|>would like to suggest
>|>|>|>>that you classify these image files to more
>|subfolders.
>|>|>|>>
>|>|>|>>In the meantime, please help me check the
following:
>|>|>|>>
>|>|>|>>1. Please go into Safe Mode (Restart computer,
press
>|>|the
>|>|>|>F8 key when the
>|>|>|>>boot menu pops up, select [Safe Mode], and boot
up)
>|>|and
>|>|>|>check if the issue
>|>|>|>>still occurs.
>|>|>|>>
>|>|>|>>2. Please change the view mode to "Lists" and
check
>|>|how
>|>|>|>fast the files are
>|>|>|>>displayed.
>|>|>|>>
>|>|>|>>3. If possible, please connect this hard disk to
>|>|another
>|>|>|>Windows XP machine
>|>|>|>>and check how well it works.
>|>|>|>>
>|>|>|>>Thanks for your time and cooperation.
>|>|>|>>
>|>|>|>>Regards,
>|>|>|>>Joe Wu
>|>|>|>>Product Support Services
>|>|>|>>Microsoft Corporation
>|>|>|>>
>|>|>|>>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
>|>|>|>>
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>|via
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>|>|and
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>|>|>|>>|Sender: "Robert Davies" <robert@genesys-hrs.com>
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>|>|>|>>|Subject: Windows Explorer
>|>|>|>>|Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2003 11:05:58 -0800
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>|>|>|>>|
>|>|>|>>|Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't use
>|>|the 'Detail'
>|>|>|>>|view regularly, although I have found that when I
>|do,
>|>|>|it
>|>|>|>>|makes very little difference to the time taken.
>|You
>|>|>|>still
>|>|>|>>|spend several minutes staring at a white screen !
>|>|>|>>|
>|>|>|>>|Robert
>|>|>|>>|>-----Original Message-----
>|>|>|>>|>Hi,
>|>|>|>>|>
>|>|>|>>|>Try this:
>|>|>|>>|>
>|>|>|>>|>http://www.tunexp.com/tips/get_started/speed_up_d
et
>|ai
>|>|le
>|>|>|d
>|>|>|>_v
>|>|>|>>|i
>|>|>|>>|>ew_in_explorer/index.html
>|>|>|>>|>
>|>|>|>>|>Regards,
>|>|>|>>|>
>|>|>|>>|>Tim
>|>|>|>>|>
>|>|>|>>|>>-----Original Message-----
>|>|>|>>|>>I am sure that this topic will have been raised
>|>|>|before
>|>|>|>>|>but
>|>|>|>>|>>I am not a regular browser of this group.
>|>|>|>>|>>
>|>|>|>>|>>The issue concerns the use of Windows Explorer
to
>|>|>|>browse
>|>|>|>>|>>drives that contain large numbers of multimedia
>|>|files.
>|>|>|>>|>>
>|>|>|>>|>>My business includes the provision of non-
>|copywrite
>|>|>|>>|>images
>|>|>|>>|>>to specialist engineering/technical
publications
>|>|and
>|>|>|>>|>>companies and as a result I have very large
>|numbers
>|>|>|of
>|>|>|>>|>>image files in a multiplicity of formats, as
well
>|>|as
>|>|>|a
>|>|>|>>|>>smaller number of animated and video files.
For
>|>|easy
>|>|>|>>|>>recovery, the files are extensively sorted and
>|>|>|>>|>categorised
>|>|>|>>|>>into dozens of separate folders, but
nevertheless
>|>|it
>|>|>|>is
>|>|>|>>|>>commonplace to have a folder containing in
excess
>|>|of
>|>|>|>>|>>10,000 images. The D-drive on my machine
(80GB)
>|>|has
>|>|>|>10
>|>|>|>>|>GB
>|>|>|>>|>>of space and contains nothing other than image
>|>|files
>|>|>|>(in
>|>|>|>>|>>excess of 500,000 when I last counted).
>|>|>|>>|>>
>|>|>|>>|>>Browsing to get at files using Windows Explorer
>|can
>|>|>|be
>|>|>|>>|>>agonisingly slow at times, and I understand
that
>|>|this
>|>|>|>is
>|>|>|>>|>>due to Explorer carrying out some preview or
>|>|parsing
>|>|>|>>|>>operation on every multimedia file. I can for
>|wait
>|>|>|up
>|>|>|>>|to
>|>|>|>>|>>5 minutes at times to access some of the
folders
>|>|and
>|>|>|>>|when
>|>|>|>>|>>Explorer decides that it wants to refresh the
>|>|>|display,
>|>|>|>I
>|>|>|>>|>>go off and have a cup of coffee!
>|>|>|>>|>>
>|>|>|>>|>>Is there any way to change this behaviour
without
>|>|>|>having
>|>|>|>>|>>to move away from NTFS? I had no difficulties
on
>|>|my
>|>|>|>>|>>previous computer that ran Win98SE with similar
>|>|>|>numbers
>|>|>|>>|>of
>|>|>|>>|>>files. I currently use a Dell Dimension 4400
>|2Mhz,
>|>|>|>512
>|>|>|>>|>MB
>|>|>|>>|>>RAM, 2x80GB HDD, Win XP Home Edition SP1.
>|>|>|>>|>>
>|>|>|>>|>>Thanks in advance.
>|>|>|>>|>>.
>|>|>|>>|>>
>|>|>|>>|>.
>|>|>|>>|>
>|>|>|>>|
>|>|>|>>
>|>|>|>>.
>|>|>|>>Hey, I found this in the "photos" BBS.
>|>|>|> . Reply (E-mail) Forward (E-mail)
>|>|>|>
>|>|>|> Subject: Re: weird thumbs action in folder view
>|>|>|> From: "Rich Touart" <rtouart@touart.com> Sent:
>|>|>|>12/7/2003 9:18:47 AM
>|>|>|>
>|>|>|>
>|>|>|>
>|>|>|>
>|>|>|>"Rich Touart" <rtouart@touart.com> wrote in message
>|>|>|>news:upueSqNvDHA.2352@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>|>|>|>> Thumbnails take a long time (up to 1 min.) to
>|display
>|>|>|in
>|>|>|>folder view
>|>|>|>> and act erratically. Please see the image at
>|>|>|>> http://www.touart.com/images/weirdthumbs2.jpg
>|>|>|>>
>|>|>|>> I have reformatted and reinstalled Win XP. I
have
>|>|>|>changed video cards
>|>|>|>> from Nvidia to ATI Radeon and I have tried
>|different
>|>|>|>monitors.
>|>|>|>>
>|>|>|>> Any input appreciated, thanks
>|>|>|>>
>|>|>|>> Rich
>|>|>|>> http://www.touart.com
>|>|>|>>
>|>|>|>I found the answer in an earlier post from John
>|Inzer.
>|>|>|>Thanks!
>|>|>|>
>|>|>|>"Try this...right click on a .jpg file and choose
>|>|>|>Properties. Click the Photoshop Image tab
>|>|>|>and uncheck the "Generate Thumbnails" button,
>|>|>|>then click OK"
>|>|>|>
>|>|>|>I am a professional photographer with ten's of
>|>|thousands
>|>|>|>of jpeg files and was desperate for an answer to
the
>|>|same
>|>|>|>question. You only have to do this to one file and
>|it
>|>|>|>changes them all. It really works!!!!!!!!
>|>|>|>
>|>|>|>.
>|>|>|>
>|>|>|
>|>|>
>|>|>.
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