RE: Windows Explorer

From: Joe Wu [MSFT] (joewu_at_online.microsoft.com)
Date: 02/05/04 

Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 09:57:03 GMT

Hello Robert,

Thank you for your reply and I appreciate your time and efforts on this
problem. To remove the parallel operating systems from the computer, we can
try the following steps to remove one of the Operating Systems.

Step1. Modify the C:\boot.ini to restore it to the original status.

Step2. Remove the operating system's \WINDOWS folder.

Step3. Remove the "Program Files" folder created by that OS, if the
applications in the folder are useless.

To remove the new system safely, please send the C:\BOOT.ini file to me at
joewu@microsoft.com and let me know which the new system locates.

I will modify the boot.ini file for you.

Thanks!

Regards,
Joe Wu
Product Support Services
Microsoft Corporation

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|Hi, Joe. I'm back after a very busy period of work which
|precluded my following up on your advice. However, I have
|now carried out the parallel installation.
|
|I took some time to free up space on the D-drive for the
|parallel instal, and defragged the drive twice. (Windows
|hasn't let me defrag for a while because there hasn't been
|15% free space on the drive.)
|
|When running on the parallel OS, the 'big' folder (which
|now contains 0 files and 63 sub-folders, with 212,000
|files / 34.3 GB in the sub-folders) now takes 1 minute and
|10 seconds to display. This is a great improvement on
|what happened previously, but when I went back to the
|original Windows installation, I found that that also now
|takes 1 minute and 10 seconds, so the improvement must be
|down to defragging and not to having a clean Windows setup.
|
|I don't know if you feel that 1 Min 10 is OK for reading a
|folder of that size, but the lesson seems to be to defrag
|regularly. I would certainly like it to be quicker, but I
|can live with the current performance.
|
|By the way, I also uninstalled PaintShop Pro, but that
|made no difference at all.
|
|A final question - How do I get rid of the 'extra' Windows
|system now ?!
|
|Thanks for your help.
|
|Robert
|>-----Original Message-----
|>Hello Rebert,
|>
|>Thank you for your reply.
|>
|>I think it is not normal that the process lasts 3 minutes
|and 20 seconds.
|>Based on the current status, I would like to provide the
|following
|>suggestions:
|>
|>1. Let's install a parallel Windows XP system on a
|partition with enough
|>free space and check if the problem occurs in the newly
|created system. If
|>not, it indicates that the problem is related to a
|certain application or
|>configurations on the current system. (Note: Please do
|NOT install the
|>parallel system into the current system partition.)
|>
|>This can efficiently help us narrow down the problem's
|scope.
|>
|>For more information, please refer to:
|>
|>266465 HOW TO: Perform a Parallel Installation of Windows
|2000
|>http://support.microsoft.com/?id=266465
|>
|>Note: The above method also applies to Windows XP.
|>
|>2. Does the problem occur to other folder which contains
|a large number of
|>subfolders and common files? If not, I would like to
|suggest that we
|>temporarily uninstall the PaintShop Pro software to check
|if it is related
|>to this problem.
|>
|>I look forward to your reply. Thanks!
|>
|>Regards,
|>Joe Wu
|>Product Support Services
|>Microsoft Corporation
|>
|>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
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|>|Subject: RE: Windows Explorer
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|>|Hello, Joe. I'm back with the results of the tests you
|>|suggested.
|>|
|>|1. I cannot follow Malcolm's suggestion as I do not run
|>|Photoshop on my machine. Therefore there is no such tab
|>|under Properties for a jpeg file. I use PaintShop Pro 4
|>|for image reprocessing (old, I know, but it does
|>|everything I need without the complexities of the newer
|>|versions) and JASC Media Center 3 for thumbnailing. I
|have
|>|reset the file associations for all image formats to
|>|PaintShop Pro.
|>|
|>|2.1 I created a new user account, although I could not
|>|follow the steps you set out as there is no item
|>|for 'Local Users and groups' under Computer Management
|on
|>|my setup. I used Control Panel -> User Accounts instead.
|>|
|>|2.2 I uninstalled MacAfee and ZoneAlarm, rebooted,
|logged
|>|on the new account and read the famous directory. No
|>|change - still 3 minutes and 20 seconds.
|>|
|>|3. In answer to your final question, it takes 3 mins 20
|>|seconds to open and display the folder that contains 61
|>|folders and 0 files. It then takes a further time to
|open
|>|and display each of the 61 folders. These folders
|contain
|>|anywhere from zero to 20,000 files and they take about
|0.5
|>|seconds to open per 1000 files of content, so the
|largest
|>|take a further 10 seconds.
|>|
|>|Robert
|>|
|>|
|>|>-----Original Message-----
|>|>Hello Robert,
|>|>
|>|>Thank you for keeping in touch and for taking the time
|to
|>|perform the tests.
|>|>
|>|>Let's collect more information for further analysis:
|>|>
|>|>1. Have you tested Malcolm's suggestion (unchecking
|>|the "Generate
|>|>Thumbnails" button on the Photoshop Image tab). I think
|>|that the suggestion
|>|>is reasonable and we can give it a try.
|>|>
|>|>2. Since there is only one Windows XP operating system.
|I
|>|would like to
|>|>suggest that we perform the following tests:
|>|>
|>|>1) Please create a new user with Administrators
|>|priviliges and then logon
|>|>as the newly created user to see if it works. This test
|>|can help us isolate
|>|>if the problem is related to the user settings.
|>|>
|>|>How to create a new user account:
|>|>--------------------------------------------
|>|>a. Click on Start->Settings->Control Panel.
|>|>b. Click Administrative Tools.
|>|>c. Click Computer Management.
|>|>d. Click Local Users and Groups.
|>|>e. Double-click Users.
|>|>f. On Action menu, click New User item.
|>|>g. Now, please create a new user account.
|>|>h. Click Local Users and Groups.
|>|>i. Double-click Group and click Administrators in the
|>|right pane.
|>|>j. On Action menu, click Add to Group item.
|>|>k. Click Add button, and then add the newly created
|user
|>|account to the
|>|>Administrators group.
|>|>l. Logoff and login with the newly created user account.
|>|>
|>|>2) Please temporarily uninstall all the firewall and
|anti-
|>|virus tools,
|>|>including Norton anti-virus, Internet Security, etc.
|Then
|>|reboot your
|>|>system and try to perform the test to see if the
|problem
|>|occurs. Based on
|>|>our experience, these kinds of applications run in the
|>|background
|>|>monitoring the file system, and may affect the system
|>|performance,
|>|>especially when the number of the files are very large.
|>|>
|>|>NOTE:
|>|>---------------
|>|>
|>|>a. Please uninstall it instead of disabling it. If we
|>|just disable it, a
|>|>lot of drivers are still running in the background and
|>|they will cause the
|>|>issue, thus the test result may be incorrect.
|>|>b. After uninstalling these applications, please do NOT
|>|surf the Internet
|>|>and do NOT open any doubtful attachments in your
|received
|>|e-mails.
|>|>
|>|>3. You stated that there are 224,708 files jpg files in
|>|your 61 subfolders,
|>|>and it takes 3 minutes and 20 seconds to open a folder.
|>|Could let me know
|>|>how many files in that folder?
|>|>
|>|>Thanks!
|>|>
|>|>Regards,
|>|>Joe Wu
|>|>Product Support Services
|>|>Microsoft Corporation
|>|>
|>|>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
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|>|>|Subject: RE: Windows Explorer
|>|>|Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2004 15:15:43 -0800
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|>|>|Sorry about the big delay - I've been away for
|>|Christmas.
|>|>|Thanks for all the posts.
|>|>|
|>|>|I have done as Joe Wu asked and I have the following
|>|>|results. I have used the single largest folder that I
|>|>|have accumulated. It is 2 levels below the root of
|>|Drive
|>|>|D (Western Digital 80 GB) and it contains 61 folders
|and
|>|0
|>|>|files. However, between them, these 61 sub-folders
|>|>|contain 224,708 files (all jpeg's) occupying 36.1GB !
|>|>|
|>|>|To read the folder for the first time, Windows
|Explorer
|>|>|takes 3 minutes and 20 seconds in normal mode, 3
|minutes
|>|>|and 50 seconds in safe mode. (I have timed it several
|>|>|times and these results are repeatable.) Both these
|>|>|figures are with Explorer in 'List' mode - I rarely
|need
|>|>|to use 'Details' mode so I don't know what the timings
|>|>|would be for that.
|>|>|
|>|>|I do not have access to another XP machine so I cannot
|>|try
|>|>|the third test in Joe's post. However, I can say that
|>|>|this disk used to be in a machine running Win98SE and
|>|was
|>|>|formatted FAT32. Its response time with an identical
|>|>|folder structure and identical numbers of files was
|>|almost
|>|>|instantaneous (which is why I believe that this
|problem
|>|is
|>|>|NTFS-related). When I got my current machine I
|stripped
|>|>|everything off the disk and low-level formatted it to
|>|NTFS
|>|>|so there is no residue that might be affecting its
|>|>|performance. As I have previously mentioned, Drive D
|is
|>|>|used solely for data and there are no system files on
|it.
|>|>|
|>|>|Robert
|>|>|
|>|>|>-----Original Message-----
|>|>|>
|>|>|>>-----Original Message-----
|>|>|>>Hello,
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>Thank you for your posts.
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>Actually, the system is expected to spend a bit
|longer
|>|>|>than normal to list
|>|>|>>a large number of objects in a folder. If possible,
|I
|>|>|>would like to suggest
|>|>|>>that you classify these image files to more
|subfolders.
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>In the meantime, please help me check the following:
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>1. Please go into Safe Mode (Restart computer, press
|>|the
|>|>|>F8 key when the
|>|>|>>boot menu pops up, select [Safe Mode], and boot up)
|>|and
|>|>|>check if the issue
|>|>|>>still occurs.
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>2. Please change the view mode to "Lists" and check
|>|how
|>|>|>fast the files are
|>|>|>>displayed.
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>3. If possible, please connect this hard disk to
|>|another
|>|>|>Windows XP machine
|>|>|>>and check how well it works.
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>Thanks for your time and cooperation.
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>Regards,
|>|>|>>Joe Wu
|>|>|>>Product Support Services
|>|>|>>Microsoft Corporation
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>Get Secure! - www.microsoft.com/security
|>|>|>>
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|>|>|>>|Thanks for the suggestion, but I don't use
|>|the 'Detail'
|>|>|>>|view regularly, although I have found that when I
|do,
|>|>|it
|>|>|>>|makes very little difference to the time taken.
|You
|>|>|>still
|>|>|>>|spend several minutes staring at a white screen !
|>|>|>>|
|>|>|>>|Robert
|>|>|>>|>-----Original Message-----
|>|>|>>|>Hi,
|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>>|>Try this:
|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>>|>http://www.tunexp.com/tips/get_started/speed_up_det
|ai
|>|le
|>|>|d
|>|>|>_v
|>|>|>>|i
|>|>|>>|>ew_in_explorer/index.html
|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>>|>Regards,
|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>>|>Tim
|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>>|>>-----Original Message-----
|>|>|>>|>>I am sure that this topic will have been raised
|>|>|before
|>|>|>>|>but
|>|>|>>|>>I am not a regular browser of this group.
|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>>|>>The issue concerns the use of Windows Explorer to
|>|>|>browse
|>|>|>>|>>drives that contain large numbers of multimedia
|>|files.
|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>>|>>My business includes the provision of non-
|copywrite
|>|>|>>|>images
|>|>|>>|>>to specialist engineering/technical publications
|>|and
|>|>|>>|>>companies and as a result I have very large
|numbers
|>|>|of
|>|>|>>|>>image files in a multiplicity of formats, as well
|>|as
|>|>|a
|>|>|>>|>>smaller number of animated and video files. For
|>|easy
|>|>|>>|>>recovery, the files are extensively sorted and
|>|>|>>|>categorised
|>|>|>>|>>into dozens of separate folders, but nevertheless
|>|it
|>|>|>is
|>|>|>>|>>commonplace to have a folder containing in excess
|>|of
|>|>|>>|>>10,000 images. The D-drive on my machine (80GB)
|>|has
|>|>|>10
|>|>|>>|>GB
|>|>|>>|>>of space and contains nothing other than image
|>|files
|>|>|>(in
|>|>|>>|>>excess of 500,000 when I last counted).
|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>>|>>Browsing to get at files using Windows Explorer
|can
|>|>|be
|>|>|>>|>>agonisingly slow at times, and I understand that
|>|this
|>|>|>is
|>|>|>>|>>due to Explorer carrying out some preview or
|>|parsing
|>|>|>>|>>operation on every multimedia file. I can for
|wait
|>|>|up
|>|>|>>|to
|>|>|>>|>>5 minutes at times to access some of the folders
|>|and
|>|>|>>|when
|>|>|>>|>>Explorer decides that it wants to refresh the
|>|>|display,
|>|>|>I
|>|>|>>|>>go off and have a cup of coffee!
|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>>|>>Is there any way to change this behaviour without
|>|>|>having
|>|>|>>|>>to move away from NTFS? I had no difficulties on
|>|my
|>|>|>>|>>previous computer that ran Win98SE with similar
|>|>|>numbers
|>|>|>>|>of
|>|>|>>|>>files. I currently use a Dell Dimension 4400
|2Mhz,
|>|>|>512
|>|>|>>|>MB
|>|>|>>|>>RAM, 2x80GB HDD, Win XP Home Edition SP1.
|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>>|>>Thanks in advance.
|>|>|>>|>>.
|>|>|>>|>>
|>|>|>>|>.
|>|>|>>|>
|>|>|>>|
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>>.
|>|>|>>Hey, I found this in the "photos" BBS.
|>|>|> . Reply (E-mail) Forward (E-mail)
|>|>|>
|>|>|> Subject: Re: weird thumbs action in folder view
|>|>|> From: "Rich Touart" <rtouart@touart.com> Sent:
|>|>|>12/7/2003 9:18:47 AM
|>|>|>
|>|>|>
|>|>|>
|>|>|>
|>|>|>"Rich Touart" <rtouart@touart.com> wrote in message
|>|>|>news:upueSqNvDHA.2352@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
|>|>|>> Thumbnails take a long time (up to 1 min.) to
|display
|>|>|in
|>|>|>folder view
|>|>|>> and act erratically. Please see the image at
|>|>|>> http://www.touart.com/images/weirdthumbs2.jpg
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>> I have reformatted and reinstalled Win XP. I have
|>|>|>changed video cards
|>|>|>> from Nvidia to ATI Radeon and I have tried
|different
|>|>|>monitors.
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>> Any input appreciated, thanks
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>> Rich
|>|>|>> http://www.touart.com
|>|>|>>
|>|>|>I found the answer in an earlier post from John
|Inzer.
|>|>|>Thanks!
|>|>|>
|>|>|>"Try this...right click on a .jpg file and choose
|>|>|>Properties. Click the Photoshop Image tab
|>|>|>and uncheck the "Generate Thumbnails" button,
|>|>|>then click OK"
|>|>|>
|>|>|>I am a professional photographer with ten's of
|>|thousands
|>|>|>of jpeg files and was desperate for an answer to the
|>|same
|>|>|>question. You only have to do this to one file and
|it
|>|>|>changes them all. It really works!!!!!!!!
|>|>|>
|>|>|>.
|>|>|>
|>|>|
|>|>
|>|>.
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