Re: No start after re-install.
From: Ted Zieglar (teddyz_at_notmail.com)
Date: 01/19/05
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Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:18:56 -0500
No problem. Apparently a matter of semantics. I think we understand each
other now
-- Ted Zieglar "Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:uxjESCk$EHA.4028@TK2MSFTNGP15.phx.gbl... > In news:OdumC%23b$EHA.3124@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl, > Ted Zieglar <teddyz@notmail.com> typed: > > > "No, you can *not* do this. A number of years ago, it was > > possible to > > low-level format drives yourself, but on today's modern drives > > it's > > strictly a factory procedure. Any attempt to do this yourself > > would > > result in ruining the drive." > > > > Boy, some of us woke up in a bad mood today! > > > Sorry if I sounded overly agressive. It wasn't my intent--I was > just trying to clarify the situation. > > > > > "How Do I Low Level Format an ATA (IDE) Hard Drive?" > > http://www.seagate.com/support/kb/disc/faq/ata_llfmt_what.html > > > This says almost exactly the same thing I did. It says "Actually > the term "low level" is a bit of a misnomer. The low level > process first used years ago in MFM hard drives bears little > resemblance to what we now call a "low level format" for today's > ATA (IDE) drives. The only safe method of initializing all the > data on a Seagate device is the Zero Fill option in DiscWizard > Starter Edition." > > The point is that what you were calling formatting is not > formatting, and not even low-level formatting. It's zero-filling. > > -- > Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User > Please reply to the newsgroup > > > > > "Ken Blake" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message > > news:OvO1xra$EHA.2584@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl... > >> In news:OzqIiMV$EHA.4072@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl, > >> Ted Zieglar <teddyz@notmail.com> typed: > >> > >>>I buy my hard drives in stores. They are already low level > >>>formatted, > >> > >> > >> Yes, but you're using these terms in an unusual highly > >> personal way. > >> The term "formatted," used by itself, never refers to > >> low-level > >> formatting. > >> > >>> and as such do not need to be reformatted before installing > >>> XP. > >> > >> > >> All drives need to be partitioned and then each partition > >> needs to be > >> formatted (remember that plain "formatting" does not refer to > >> low-level formatting) before use. What's apparently confusing > >> you > >> here is that a normal Windows XP clean installation both > >> partitions > >> and formats as part of that installation. In contrast, in > >> MS-DOS and > >> Windows 9X, you did these as separate steps before starting > >> the > >> operating system installation. And even with Windows XP, you > >> still > >> can do them as separate steps, and sometimes you *have* to do > >> it > >> that way; for example if you want to have a FAT32 partition > >> larger > >> than 32GB, Windows XP won't create it and your only choice is > >> to > >> first manually partition that way and then format it. > >> > >>> If I > >>> was to purchase a second hand drive - something I personally > >>> do not > >>> do - I would perform a low level format before installing the > >>> OS. > >> > >> > >> No, you can *not* do this. A number of years ago, it was > >> possible to > >> low-level format drives yourself, but on today's modern drives > >> it's > >> strictly a factory procedure. Any attempt to do this yourself > >> would > >> result in ruining the drive. > >> > >> What you *can* do yourself is zero-fill the tracks of the > >> drive. > >> Unfortunately some people refer to this as low-level > >> formatting, but > >> it is not that at all. > >> > >> Returning to the subject of formatting (not low-level > >> formatting) > >> it's actually partitions, not drives, that have to be > >> formatted; > >> each partition that's created on the drive has to be formatted > >> separately. Neither partitioning nor formatting is normally > >> done > >> before you buy the drive because the manufacturer doesn't know > >> what > >> operating system you're going to use it with, how many > >> partitions > >> you want, what size they should be, nor what file system they > >> should > >> use. > >> -- > >> Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User > >> Please reply to the newsgroup > >> > >> > >> > >>> I didn't say that a new drive does not need to be > >>> partitioned. > >>> > >>> Ted Zieglar > >>> > >>> "Jeff Gaines" <whitedragon@newsgroup.nospam> wrote in message > >>> news:xn0dxed4g32z4n002@news.microsoft.com... > >>>> On 18/01/2005 Ted Zieglar wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> I'm sure exactly what you're saying, because a new hard > >>>>> drive > >>>>> doesn't need to be formatted - it already is formatted. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> That's very misleading, where do you buy your new drives? > >>>> > >>>> I have never bought a HD that didn't need both partitioning > >>>> and > >>>> formatting before use. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Jeff Gaines > >>>> Posted with XanaNews 1.17.1.2 > >
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