Re: Router install problem

PaulFXH wrote:
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Hi everybody
I working right now in Brazil and have a 550 kbps broadband
connection. The internet reaches the computer through a modem at
present.
However, having recently acquired a second computer we have tried to
install a wireless router (D-Link DI-524 802.11g/2.4GHz) between the
modem
and the computer.
Although I have followed the instructions to the letter, when I get
to
do the final test, I get an error message saying the router is not
detected. After telling me to check the connection between the router
and the computer (which is not the problem), the install goes no
further than this.
Note that in my desperation, I have actually physically changed the
modem and the router and the various network cables for new versions
without at all improving the situation.
I have spoken to the ISP down here but they showed little interest in
helping me.
Any clues as to how I can resolve this?
Thanks
Paul
I was reading the specs on your Speed Stream 5200. Looks like a nice
router/firewall. According to the user manual you need to use a
cross-over
cable when connecting the Speed Stream to a hub or a switch without an
"Uplink" port.
Hope this helps. Good luck. Scott
Also the manual says that the default IP for the Speed Stream is
192.168.254.254 although it may vary by ISP. I think the answers you
seek
are in the Speed Stream manual. Did you log on to the router and look
at the
settings? http://speedstream
Good luck. Scott
--
How many computer programmers does it take to change a light bulb? None.
That's a hardware issue.
Once again I'd like to say thanks to everybody for helping me to
resolve this problem. I should also point out that although I've been
using the internet for 15 years now, about 90% of the stuff being
discussed in this thread is very new to me so forgive me if I seem to
be a little befuddled.
Here below I'm going to try to clarify some of the doubts/questions
people had as well as providing details of the test that Lem
suggested.
As a further point of clarification, the desktop computer to which the
internet (modem only) is directly connected has TWO network cards: the
first (VIA Rhine II) receives the incoming signal from the modem. The
second (Encore 10/100Mbps) is a PCI card that permits the internet to
reach the second computer (laptop) through a (very long) network
cable. The first connection is known as "Local" and the second
(between computers) is known as "Local 3".
So, I went through the computer power-off, router reset, router-to-
computer setup exactly as Lem described.
When I did this, three lights were lit on the router (Power, Status
(blinking) and LAN#1).
Then after typing "ipconfig/all" at the DOS prompt I got the following
information: (note that because I'm in Brazil, this came up in the
Portuguese language, So, I'm giving the English translation):
Configuration of Windows IP
Name of Host Paul
DNS Primary Suffix
Type of Node Unknown
Routing of IP activated Yes
WINS Proxy activated No
Ethernet Connection Adapter Local 3
Specific DNS suffix for Connection Encore 10/100Mbps Fast Ethernet
PCI Adapter
Physical address 00-08-54-B0-3B-95
DHCP activated No
IP address 192.168.0.1
Subnet mask 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway
Ethernet Connection Adapter Local
Specific DNS suffix for Connection VIA Rhine II Fast Ethernet
Adapter
Physical address 00-07-95-C1-69-EE
DHCP activated Yes
IP address 169.254.2.98
Subnet mask 255.255.0.0
Default Gateway
For some reason, I did this whole test again starting from the
powerdown to the router reset and so on. This time, the same three
router lights were lit but additionally the WLAN light was flashing.
Interestingly, when I did the ipconfig/all again, everything was the
same except for some significant differences as shown in the section
below:
Ethernet Connection Adapter Local
Specific DNS suffix for Connection VIA Rhine II Fast Ethernet
Adapter
Physical address 00-07-95-C1-69-EE
DHCP activated Yes
IP address 192.168.0.100
Subnet mask 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway
DHCP Server 192.168.0.1
DNS Servers 192.168.0.1
Concession obtained Today
Concession expires Next week
I hope this throws some light on matters for somebody as I still
remain somewhat flumoxed.
Here are some further clarifications:
a) With the router only connected to the computer and no internet
connection I typed "arp -a" (without quotes) at a DOS prompt but the
message I got was "No entry encountered"
b) I am unclear as to whether this is a DSL or a Cable modem. However,
it is a Speed Stream 5200 which has four lights marked PWR, DSL, USB
and ENET. It receives the broadband signal from a phone line which is
why I thought it was a DSL modem. But as I've said I'm very much a
nooby here
c) The modem was supplied by the ISP (Velox here in Brazil) and no
manual was provided. I have not yet looked for an online version of
the manual
d) When I said that I got an error message during the attempted
installation of the router, the error message (No Router Detected) was
provided by the D-Link installation CD (not from Windows)
e) When I said that "somebody else mentioned that the modem might have
an internal NAT setup" this came from another thread I posted in
another group. But this thread didn't go any further than that
Are we seeing any light at the end of the tunnel?
Thanks
Paul
The vital clue actually came from Scott's posting. This relates to the
"internal NAT setup" in the modem that you mentioned. This is, in fact,
part of the problem.
Your SpeedStream 5200 actually is a combination DSL modem and router.
You do not want to have two routers in your network.
You have two options:
1. Configure the SpeedStream 5200 to operate in "Bridged" mode. In
this mode, the router portion is disabled and the SpeedStream 5200 acts
as a DSL modem only. If you want to do this, you need to connect an
Ethernet cable to the SpeedStream 5200 and enter either
http://speedstreamorhttp://192.168.254.254in your browser to access
the SpeedStream's configuration pages. For more details, consult the
manual. If you don't have one, it's at
http://www2.windstream.net/downloads/links/SpeedStream211.pdf
2. Alternatively, and perhaps easier, you have to disable the router
portion of the D-Link, and just use it as a wireless access point and
Ethernet switch. In order to accomplish this, you have to do three
things: (1) connect the cable from the SS5200 to the DI524 using a LAN
jack on the DI524 -- NOT the Internet jack; (2) ensure that the DI524
has a LAN IP in the range expected by the SS524; and (3) turn off the
DHCP server in the DI524.
Unfortunately, I have to leave for about 3 or 4 hours right now, so I
can't give you details. You can look it up in the DI524 manual, and
I'll check back later this afternoon.
Continuing ...
When you did things the second time, the computer connected successfully
between "Local" and the DI-524. At this point, you should have been
able to enter 192.168.0.1 in a browser and reach the login screen for
the DI-524 configuration pages. This will be necessary for what follows.
The first piece of information you need is the IP range expected by the
SpeedStream 5200. The definitive way to get this info would be to
connect your computer directly to the SpeedStream (as it originally
was), ensure that you actually have Internet connectivity (you might
need a reboot), and do an ipconfig /all and look at the IP address
assigned to "Local" by the SpeedStream. Alternatively, judging by the
SpeedStream manual, it appears as if the SpeedStream DHCP server assigns
IP addresses in the range 192.168.254.1 to 192.168.254.253. Let's
assume that this is correct, and therefore we will assign the DI-524 an
IP address of 192.168.254.200.
1. Connect to the DI-524 configuration screens by entering 192.168.0.1
in your browswer. The first thing you should see is a login
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I'm just going to give some further information on the details
availanle in Network Connections for the Velox connection (remember
that Velox is the name of the ISP down here):

Name of Hardware VIA Rhine II Fast Ethernet
Adapter
Type of Hardware isdn
Type of Server PPP
Transports TCP/IP
Authentication PAP
Compaction none
Framing (?) of PPP multilink Turned off
Server IP address 200.217.72.88
Client IP address 201.58.126.100

In answer to Scott's question about wireless adaptors, I really
haven't got to that stage yet. All I am trying to acheive right now is
to get an internet connection to the Desktop computer through the
SS5200 and DI-524. As the DI-524 is a wireless router and the laptop
(HP Pavilion dv1000) has a built-in wireless card, I had assumed that
if the DI-524 was operational, the laptop would be able to pick up the
internet from the router wirelessly.





I think that your Brazilian DSL connection must not use the PPPoE protocol that is commonly used in the U.S.A. and elsewhere. I'm also confused by the "isdn" in in the hardware description under the Velox connection, and the indication that the Velox "Dial-up" connection is shared with the VIA Rhine II adapter ("Local"). If anything was shared, I would have thought it would have been your "Local 3" connection on the Encore adapter.

Rather than try to figure out what's really going on, and risk messing up the configuration of the SpeedStream to the point where you can't do anything, perhaps we can attack this problem in another way.

As I understand your setup before you got the DI-524, you had your main computer connected to the SS5200 and your laptop connected by a long ethernet cable to a second network adapter on the main computer. I hope this setup still works for you. If so, what appears to be going on is that however your Internet connection works, you have successfully shared it (probably using Windows Internet Connection Sharing) to the second (Local 3) network adapter. This is consistent with the ipconfig information you gave for Local 3.

When accessing the configuration pages of the DI-524, it may be simpler to use your laptop connected to one of the LAN jacks on the DI-524 rather than using your main computer. If things work as planned, we're going to leave the laptop connected that way, at least until you get wireless working.

We can connect the DI-524 to the second network adapter in place of the laptop. ICS assigns an IP of 192.168.0.1 to the network adapter facing your internal network and assigns IP addresses in the range 192.168.0.2 through 192.168.0.254.

Thus, follow the numbered steps in my earlier post, except that when you get to step 3, set the DI-524 IP address to 192.168.0.2. Everything else will stay the same.

If I'm correct that you are using Windows ICS, you will be able to connect your laptop to one of the 3 remaining LAN jacks on the DI-524, where it will be assigned an IP address of 192.168.0.x by the DHCP server function of ICS. It will then connect through the switch portion of the DI-524 to your Local 3 adapter which in turn will connect to the Internet however it is that your main computer accomplishes that.

Let me know how it goes.

--
Lem MS MVP -- Networking

To the moon and back with 64 Kbits of RAM and 512 Kbits of ROM.
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