Re: File Sharing breaks while "in use" (Normal)
- From: lurker <king-daddy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 07:20:16 -0400
Chuck wrote:
On Wed, 31 May 2006 14:45:07 -0400, lurker <king-daddy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:[clip]
Chuck wrote:On Wed, 31 May 2006 10:23:06 -0400, lurcer <king-daddy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:DHCP not used. Fixed IP is used
Chuck wrote:Thanks for the note about the user name bit. I now presume that you areOn Tue, 30 May 2006 13:09:29 GMT, lurker <"[remove]king-daddy"@earthlink.net>Don't be confused by two different user names. my regular earthlink.net mirror is down now and I am a different name on that one.
wrote:
Consider a home network with two PCs connected to a linksys router.The next time you observe the problem, look at "browstat status", "ipconfig
1) Windows XP Home and
2) Windows 2000 PRO
Both have been updated with all critical updates.
All has been well for several months. On Windows XP I use Quicken and FrontPage 2000 with their data files on Windows 2000 File Shares.
Several (many?) weeks ago, I would go to bed with all working, and the next morning, the Windows XP machine could no longer use (or create new) shares.
After many frustrating weeks, I have observed the network connection fails at any time of day, even if in use. There are no entries in either system's Event Viewer.
Ping between the two machines works in both directions.
Net use from Windows 2000 to Windows XP works fine. It does not work for XP => 2000. Net use produces error message
System Error 53. Network not found.
Rebooting the Windows 2000 machine fixes the problem.
I am looking for suggestions on what tools, procedures to use to troubleshoot the problem.
King-daddy
/all", "net config server", and "net config workstation", from each computer.
Read this article, and linked articles, and follow instructions precisely
(download browstat!):
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#AskingForHelp
Look at each computer, and the power setting on the network adapter.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/does-your-computer-lose-network.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/does-your-computer-lose-network.html
I am enjoying learning so much useful information from your very fine references. Well done!
Neither computer adapter has a power setting.
I no longer am using DHCP (simplifies debug)
I have been through two failures since starting this thread, but have not saved the data that I observed. I am doing that now.
My current debug posture is that the problem is NOT a Computer Browser issue. I lament that I cannot find any logs or event viewer that have an exception posted. PING in both directions never breaks.
I have seen two things cause the error code 53 (after the failure has occurred.
1) "Network not found" meaning the XP system no longer can find the Windows 2000 system it was just talking to.
2) Can't remote access the registry (by BROWSTAT)
LSP is not corrupted.
I will post more as I collect the data.
king-daddy
"lurker", "lurcer", and "clackey". And you always sign, internally, as
"king-daddy"?
I don't think that the original problem is browser related. That won't prevent
the browser diagnostics from helping us though. But you'll need to run all
diagnostics on each computer, for it to be truly useful.
The "Can't remote access the registry" bit is normal for XP Home.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html#Error53>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html#Error53
This type of investigation is typical detective work - a lot of duplicated
effort, and combing thru clues. But since you don't know what the problem is,
you don't know which clues are essential, so gather all of them please.
Firewall is shut down on the Windows 2000 machine (Kerio)
Firewall on Windows XP HOME is "Windows Live OneCare"
<SNIP>
Well, no problems at all are apparent there.
# Both computers on same physical subnet, 192.168.1.0/24.
# Both computers using compatible name resolution (Node types Broadcast and
Unknown are fine).
# Both computers in same domain / workgroup Kingdom, with same master browser
Queenie.
Now, since Queenie is the master browser, you'll not see an "error = 53" in
browstat when accessing the registry. If you're seeing an "error = 53" when the
problem occurs, then King-Daddy is probably electing itself the master browser.
Is NetBT explicitly Enabled on both computers?
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/04/netbios-over-tcpip.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2006/04/netbios-over-tcpip.html
Let's try and enumerate the symptoms methodically.
Take the following code (everything INSIDE the "#####" lines). Please DO NOT
include ANY portion of the "#####" lines. (Please verify computer names and ip
addresses).
1. Open Notepad. Ensure that Format - Word Wrap is not checked. Highlight
then Copy the code (Ctrl-C), precisely as it is presented, and Paste (Ctrl-V)
into Notepad. Verify, and correct, names and addresses if necessary.
2. Save the Notepad file as "cdiag.cmd", as type "All Files", into the root
folder "C:\".
3. Run it by Start - Run - "c:\cdiag".
4. Wait patiently.
5. When Notepad opens up displaying c:\cdiag.txt, first check Format and
ensure that Word Wrap is NOT checked! Then, copy the entire contents (Ctrl-A
Ctrl-C) and paste (Ctrl-V) into your next post.
Do this from both computers, please, with both computers powered up and online.
Do this both when there is no problem (as a baseline), then later repeat when
there is a problem. Post logs as soon as any are available.
##### Start CDiag Assembled Code
WOW!
Into 2nd day without a failure!
I am unsure if I should be happy, or disappointed (from a techie point of view.) It's as if the systems know "the big gun" is watching. You know, "the kids behave when Daddy is watching."
The only thing I recall changing (right before the request to install CDIAG was the significant work effort I put into cleaning up My Network Places and Network Neighborhood:
I had a significant number of shares on both systems, both local and my web sites. I cleaned them up so as to have the useful bare minimum (for now) on each system. Then I entered the dialog about "how to remove the objects from the network neighborhood / listing. By this time, I had renamed my computers and the workgroup. Besides objects in the list that no longer existed (Yes, I waited about an hour to see of the Browser would clean them up), those unwanted objects displayed Computer: Unknown. I sorted on "Computer" column.
....I used standard Windows protocol to mark the ones with Computer = "Unknown" and deleted them.
It was after that cleanup when I received the note about CDIAG (Thanks for that. There are useful examples in CDIAG that will be helpful to me in other tasks!)
After collecting the Baseline data and posting same, I have not had a failure. Actually, I am still hoping for one. I will post information when it happens. If it is too untimely, I will put a notice in a new thread with substantial information in it.
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