Re: Can't see computer in Network Places

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"Chuck" wrote:

On Wed, 1 Mar 2006 16:53:27 -0800, kevinw <kevinw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:



"Chuck" wrote:

On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:31:30 -0800, kevinw <kevinw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:


"Chuck" wrote:

On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 08:31:19 -0800, kevinw <kevinw@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Chuck

Further info to my last reply.

I checked each computer of the eight that are servers they are
1. KW Tablet - running XP Pro, no firewall only NAV
2. Sharon 2 - running XP Pro, no firewall only NAV
3. Vaio Portable - running XP Pro, no firewall only NAV
4. Vaiostorage - running XP Pro, no firewall only NAV
5. Wine Cellar - running XP Home, No firewall, only NAV
6. Kevins Vaio - running XP Pro - No firewall, only NAV
7. HDstorage - NSD -
8. PS 540205 - Netgear Printserver


I did check all the Network Services and got rid of some stuff and re-ran
browstat on KevinsVaio and Vaioportable and they have changed but still
can't see the KevinsVaio computer on any of the Network Places on any computer

Here are the new browstats:

For KevinsVaio:

Status for domain HOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{56FC4341-2C3D-40D4-8CA4-F3F012E52D64}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: KEVINSVAIO
Master browser is running build 2600
1 backup servers retrieved from master KEVINSVAIO
\\KEVINSVAIO
There are 8 servers in domain HOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{56FC4341-2C3D-40D4-8CA4-F3F012E52D64}
There are 1 domains in domain HOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{56FC4341-2C3D-40D4-8CA4-F3F012E52D64}

For Vaio Portable

Status for domain HOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{B344E5A1-60FC-41B2-91F8-2B3B51513865}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: KEVINSVAIO
Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
of browser master: 5
Unable to determine server information for browser master: 5
1 backup servers retrieved from master KEVINSVAIO
\\KEVINSVAIO
There are 8 servers in domain HOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{B344E5A1-60FC-41B2-91F8-2B3B51513865}
There are 1 domains in domain HOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{B344E5A1-60FC-41B2-91F8-2B3B51513865}


Hope this helps?

Kevin,

You have 2 significant changes there.
# The master browser, as reported by both computers, is now KEVINSVAIO.
# Both computers have server datagrams from all 8 computers ("There are 8
servers"), and both are in the same workgroup ("There are 1 domains").

What does browstat from SHARON2 (the previous master browser) look like?

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.


Chuck

Here is the browstat report for Sharon2



Status for domain HOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{619825E0-1F41-4B4F-832C-976CF53408AA}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: KEVINSVAIO
Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
of browser master: 5
Unable to determine server information for browser master: 5
1 backup servers retrieved from master KEVINSVAIO
\\KEVINSVAIO
There are 7 servers in domain HOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{619825E0-1F41-4B4F-832C-976CF53408AA}
There are 1 domains in domain HOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{619825E0-1F41-4B4F-832C-976CF53408AA}


I see it says 7 servers? I ran browstat on KevinsVaio again and it also
shows 7 servers and I think that's becasue the KWtablet is in hibernation and
wireless so my bet is it goes away when that happens.

Hope this helps?

Kevin,

This is the fun part. You at least appear to have eliminated the segmented
workgroup ("There are 1 domains"). Now try and translate the 7 servers.
Observe Network Neighborhood, which 7 computers are visible? Does that support
the theory that KWTablet being in hibernation causes "There are 7 servers"?

If you don't see all computers in NN, look at the anonymous and invisible
settings, on all computers. One computer, of your 8, has either a firewall
problem, or one of those settings. Read this article with an open, and
inquisitive, mind.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/10/irregularities-in-workgroup-visibility.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/10/irregularities-in-workgroup-visibility.html

And one often overlooked question - do you have shares on all computers? With
Windows XP, a server without shares will be invisible.

Fun? Sorry not for me. I barely understadn what's going on here.

I really can't make much sense out fo the article syou asked me to read.

I'm also am not sure I really have 8 server computers. Usnig TCPNP to view
what's on line the eight connections are actually 6 computers, 1 network
attached sotrage device and 1 print server. I don' think the last 2 have
firewalls at least none that I can see.

I checked and rechecked the settings on file sharing for all the computer
and they are all set to simple file sharing and have at least one folder
shareable.

I also ran Network Places on all the machines and unfortunately they all
can't see each other

1 Kevins Vaio - sees everybody
2 Sharon 2 - see but KevinVaio
3 VaioNotebook - sees eveybody but KevinsVaio
4 Wine Cellar - sees eveybody but KevinsVaio
5 KW Tablet - sees eveybody but KevinsVaio
6 Vaio Storage Room - sees eveybody but KevinsVaio, Sharon2, and
VaioNotebook

The browstat is now identical in all of the computers and looks like this:


Status for domain HOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{56FC4341-2C3D-40D4-8CA4-F3F012E52D64}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: SHARON2
Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
of browser master: 5
\\\\SHARON2 . Version:05.01 Flags: 71203 NT POTENTIAL BACKUP
MASTER
3 backup servers retrieved from master SHARON2
\\SHARON2
\\VAIOPORTABLE
\\KEVINSVAIO
There are 8 servers in domain HOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{56FC4341-2C3D-40D4-8CA4-F3F012E52D64}
There are 1 domains in domain HOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{56FC4341-2C3D-40D4-8CA4-F3F012E52D64}

I've rechecked and there ar eno fire walls of any kind on any computer.

But....I have no idea where I am at.

I have no idea what to try next. I have no idea why the computers all see
each other in Network Places except KevinsVaio. Exception VaioStorage Room
not seeing KevinsVaio, Sharon2 and VaioNotebook.

Sorry I really don't know a lot or how to fix it at this point. Got any ideas

OK, stay cool. I use words like fun, because my momma taught me not to say
stuff like %^&*ing ^&**@hit and other words. ;)

Now, the term server is anything sharing resources on the LAN. To Windows
Networking, and computer running Windows (with the server service running), the
NAS, and the print server, are all servers. Servers are what get listed by the
browser in Network Neighborhood.

This, below, is a good start. Is it consistent - that is, if you restart any of
the computers, does it stay the same? If this EVER changes, when we make any
change, I will need to know this.
1 Kevins Vaio - sees everybody
2 Sharon 2 - see but KevinVaio
3 VaioNotebook - sees eveybody but KevinsVaio
4 Wine Cellar - sees eveybody but KevinsVaio
5 KW Tablet - sees eveybody but KevinsVaio
6 Vaio Storage Room - sees eveybody but KevinsVaio, Sharon2, and
VaioNotebook

Next, the key bit of information in browstat is this:
Master browser name is: SHARON2
Are you certain that SHARON2 is the MB reported by each computer?

Finally, let's start this phase of the investigation with an inventory of
Operating System and status of each computer when browstat was run, and when you
looked at Network Neighborhood. Please list (to your best ability, or "unknown"
if you don't know), for each computer:
# Operating System name, edition (if XP, Home, Pro, MCE?), if XP Pro or MCE, is
Simple File Sharing enabled or disabled?
# When you ran browstat, was SHARON2 logged in?
# When you look in Network Neighborhood (and see or don't see another computer),
was that other computer online? Was the other computer logged in?

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.


Chuck

Thanks for your reply. Trust me I'm cool just not having fun.

To answer your questions.

1/ Yes when I restarted the computers one of the visible items in Network
Places changed for Sharon2 computer. It cannot see the KWTablet otherwsie
they are still all the same as previous. All the computers werelogged in when
I checked this

2/ When I rebooted systems they all now have the KWTablet as the Master
Browser. I think this was a matter of rebooting Sharon2 though and then they
call changed. At least it appeared that way.

Sharon2 was logged in when I ran these.

Here are the browstat for ea.

2-Mar Browstat for KW Tablet

Status for domain HOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{EFADD922-74E2-4E5A-92A8-BE47196BFABC}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: KWTABLET
Master browser is running build 2600
1 backup servers retrieved from master KWTABLET
\\KWTABLET
There are 8 servers in domain HOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{EFADD922-74E2-4E5A-92A8-BE47196BFABC}
There are 1 domains in domain HOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{EFADD922-74E2-4E5A-92A8-BE47196BFABC}


2-Mar Browstat for VaiostorageRoom

Status for domain HOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{3C490740-6BA3-45F9-A0AF-E49A8C3000CF}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: KWTABLET
Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
of br
owser master: 5
\\\\KWTABLET . Version:05.01 Flags: 71003 NT POTENTIAL BACKUP
MASTER

1 backup servers retrieved from master KWTABLET
\\KWTABLET
There are 8 servers in domain HOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{3C490740-6BA3-45F9-A0AF-E49A8C3000CF}

2-Mar Browstat for KevinsVaio
Status for domain HOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{56FC4341-2C3D-40D4-8CA4-F3F012E52D64}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: KWTABLET
Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
of br
owser master: 5
\\\\KWTABLET . Version:05.01 Flags: 71003 NT POTENTIAL BACKUP
MASTER

1 backup servers retrieved from master KWTABLET
\\KWTABLET
There are 8 servers in domain HOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{56FC4341-2C3D-40D4-8CA4-F3F012E52D64}
There are 1 domains in domain HOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{56FC4341-2C3D-40D4-8CA4-F3F012E52D64}


2-Mar Browstat for Winecellar
Status for domain HOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{659B869B-601A-4B60-9827-7DF98EC9292D}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: KWTABLET
Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
of br
owser master: 5
\\\\KWTABLET . Version:05.01 Flags: 71003 NT POTENTIAL BACKUP
MASTER

1 backup servers retrieved from master KWTABLET
\\KWTABLET
There are 8 servers in domain HOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{659B869B-601A-4B60-9827-7DF98EC9292D}
There are 1 domains in domain HOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{659B869B-601A-4B60-9827-7DF98EC9292D}


2-Mar Browstat for Sharon2
Status for domain HOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{619825E0-1F41-4B4F-832C-976CF53408AA}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: KWTABLET
Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
of br
owser master: 5
\\\\KWTABLET . Version:05.01 Flags: 71003 NT POTENTIAL BACKUP
MASTER

1 backup servers retrieved from master KWTABLET
\\KWTABLET
There are 8 servers in domain HOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{619825E0-1F41-4B4F-832C-976CF53408AA}

Browstat for VaioPortable

Status for domain HOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{B344E5A1-60FC-41B2-91F8-2B3B51513865}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: KWTABLET
Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
of br
owser master: 5
\\\\KWTABLET . Version:05.01 Flags: 71003 NT POTENTIAL BACKUP
MASTER

1 backup servers retrieved from master KWTABLET
\\KWTABLET
There are 8 servers in domain HOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{B344E5A1-60FC-41B2-91F8-2B3B51513865}
There are 1 domains in domain HOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{B344E5A1-60FC-41B2-91F8-2B3B51513865}


Here are the OP Systems for each Computer

Kevins Vaio MCE Sp2
Sharon 2 XPPro Sp1
VaioNotebook XPPro Sp2
Wine Cellar XpHome
KW Tablet XPPro Sp2 (Tablet edition)
Vaio Storage Room XPPro Sp2

Simple File Sharing is on for all the XPPro and MCE systems

That should do it.

KMW


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