Re: Please help!! Trying to connect 2 computers via wirelss

On Fri, 30 Dec 2005 04:43:03 -0800, Kewlkanadianguy
<Kewlkanadianguy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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>"Chuck" wrote:
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>> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 20:17:01 -0800, Kewlkanadianguy
>> <Kewlkanadianguy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> >"Chuck" wrote:
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>> >> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 16:47:02 -0800, Kewlkanadianguy
>> >> <Kewlkanadianguy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> >> >"Chuck" wrote:
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>> >> >> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 10:25:03 -0800, Kewlkanadianguy
>> >> >> <Kewlkanadianguy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> >> >> >"Chuck" wrote:
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>> >> >> >> On Thu, 29 Dec 2005 08:11:03 -0800, Kewlkanadianguy
>> >> >> >> <Kewlkanadianguy@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> >> >> >> >Okay I have wireless router supplyied by my internet provider. I have a
>> >> >> >> >desktop a attached to the router via ethernet cable and my laptop via
>> >> >> >> >wireless. My internet works fine and in my network places it shows both
>> >> >> >> >computers and I have access to the files on both computers. HOWEVER whenever
>> >> >> >> >I try to use the "net send" to send a message to the other computer it says
>> >> >> >> >they are not in this session? I would like to setup this network so that
>> >> >> >> >both computers are the same and what I mean by that is that if I check my
>> >> >> >> >email on one computer and goto the other computer it is exactly the same. I
>> >> >> >> >think what I am talking about is a different kind of network. We have 3
>> >> >> >> >people in the house and windows loads up and lets anyone of us logon with our
>> >> >> >> >own personal settings and I would like both computers to be hooked up so that
>> >> >> >> >when logging onto on computer and downloading something and then goto the
>> >> >> >> >other computer and it is there as if I did the download on that computer. I
>> >> >> >> >am not articulating myself well.. Anyhow I have a young son and he is on
>> >> >> >> >messanger all the time and I am getting worried about certian things he is
>> >> >> >> >discussing on there so the most important thing right now is to get that "net
>> >> >> >> >send" command working so I am able to see the messages he is getting from my
>> >> >> >> >computer. Can someone please help me with this?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Regards,
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Rick
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Rick,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> "The "net send" messages are displayed by the Messenger service, which you
>> >> >> >> should NOT confuse with "MSN Messenger", "Windows Messenger", or any other IM
>> >> >> >> product.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Thanks to spammers sending broadcasts to the Messenger ports, many people
>> >> >> >> decided that the Messenger service presents a security risk, and advise that it
>> >> >> >> be disabled. With SP2, this service is disabled by default.
>> >> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/services-running-on-your-computer.html>
>> >> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/services-running-on-your-computer.html
>> >> >> >> <http://web.archive.org/web/20041130030655/www.blackviper.com/WinXP/service411.htm#Messenger>
>> >> >> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20041130030655/www.blackviper.com/WinXP/service411.htm#Messenger
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Regardless of that, I'm not too sure what use you can actually make with the
>> >> >> >> Messenger service and "net send" towards controlling or even monitoring your
>> >> >> >> son's Instant Messenger ("MSN Messenger", "Windows Messenger", etc) use.
>> >>
>> >> >> >Thank you for your prompt response.. Okay well what I was trying to get at
>> >> >> >is that for some reason it is saying that my son's computer is not in session
>> >> >> >(whatever that means) and I have a program that allows me to monitor my son's
>> >> >> >messages via msn messanger. The program see's my sons computer but does not
>> >> >> >allow me to monitor it because again something do to with it not being in
>> >> >> >session. As I stated before I can share files, printers ect however for some
>> >> >> >reason it doesn't see my son's computer as logged on or something of that
>> >> >> >nature? Can anyone help me with this? The program I am using is called
>> >> >> >"etherboss msn messanger converstion monitor and sniffer". Thanks in
>> >> >> >advance..
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Regards,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Rick
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Rick,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> OK, I was able to locate the Etherboss product information online, and note what
>> >> >> I had suspected. There are two types of monitoring.
>> >> >> # Active. The computer being monitored has to have an agent program running on
>> >> >> it. The agent program intercepts the IM conversation, and rebroadcasts it onto
>> >> >> the LAN. This is not the problem here; as noted by Etherboss,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> No additional program installation is needed on the monitoring target computers.
>> >> >> <http://www.softpile.com/Internet/Utilities/Review_21122_index.html>
>> >> >> http://www.softpile.com/Internet/Utilities/Review_21122_index.html
>> >> >>
>> >> >> # Passive. All computers on the LAN participate in one large open conversation.
>> >> >> This is reminiscent of classical, hub-based Ethernet. You most likely have a
>> >> >> switch, which conducts any conversation between any 2 hosts on the LAN as a
>> >> >> separate conversation, accessible only to those hosts. As noted by Etherboss,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You may need to enable your switch's monitoring feature, which is supported by
>> >> >> most current switch, in order to capture conversations from other computers.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In my experience, when this type of network monitoring is done in a large
>> >> >> (corporate) LAN, TWO things have to be done.
>> >> >> # The switch has to be set to "promiscuous" mode, to enable broadcast of all
>> >> >> traffic to all nodes.
>> >> >> # The LAN card on the monitoring computer has to be set to "promiscuous" mode,
>> >> >> to enable that computer to receive conversations not intended for it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If you have a problem with executing #1, no problem. In spite of the Etherboss
>> >> >> claim "supported by most current switch", which may or may not be true, simply
>> >> >> buy a HUB, and connect both the router / switch, and both computers, to the hub.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'm not too sure what you do about executing #2. Not all Ethernet cards support
>> >> >> promiscuous mode. Did you do this on yours? Without being in promiscuous mode,
>> >> >> your card will likely see packets between your sons computer and the switch as
>> >> >> another conversation, and ignore them. Unless Etherboss actually hooks the
>> >> >> Ethernet drivers, and forces promiscuous mode automatically.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This may be a case for Etherboss Customer Support.
>> >>
>> >> >Thank you so much for taking the time to try and help me! In fact you
>> >> >helped me out a great deal!!! I do not know how to switch my network card to
>> >> >promiscuous mode? If that is the case I would have to activate that on my
>> >> >wireless lan card on my laptop as my son gets the good desktop computer lol.
>> >> >You it's kinda funny I used to know so much about DOS systems I have been
>> >> >around computers since 300 baud modems and XT pcs BBS's,ect ect.... However I
>> >> >stopped for awhile after 98se and came back into it again and trying to catch
>> >> >up... Anyhow thanks alot for your help and sorry for my computer related
>> >> >ignorance..
>> >> >
>> >> >Rick
>> >>
>> >> Glad to help, Rick. Classical Ethernet (before switches were anything but
>> >> expensive gadgets in high dollar corporate networks) had all computers on a bus,
>> >> in one big party line. If Computer A was sending to Computer B, Computers C, D,
>> >> and E would see the packets and know that they weren't for them. Only in
>> >> Promiscuous mode would Computer C read a packet any further than the destination
>> >> id. Like you would ignore conversations between the strangers on a crowded
>> >> airplane because they weren't talking to you.
>> >>
>> >> As far as putting your network (Ethernet or WiFi) card into Promiscuous mode,
>> >> that's not mentioned in the product information. I'm suspecting that either:
>> >> 1) Etherboss does that automatically.
>> >> 2) Etherboss is not properly documented, or did not know that is necessary.
>> >> Having looked at the website I would toss a coin. Did you really pay $300?
>> >> Better make them earn the money - call them.
>> >>
>> >> The first computer network that I worked on had (started with) a 96baud modem,
>> >> acoustically coupled. The 300 baud modem was a big step up for us. 9600baud
>> >> was later, and was unbelievably fast. HaHa. Time moves on though, and if you
>> >> can't change you can't exist here. No matter what you or I know today, that
>> >> will be useless in a year.
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>> >Wow another old school huh.. I do have to admit back in the BBS days ... It
>> >was so different and more e Not to say what they are doing with technology
>> >isn't great Ijust can't seem to forget that era. Anyhow yes I can adapt
>> >quite well I just havn't taken the time to get read up. I was wondeirng if
>> >you could direct me to a site that explains networks in great detail and all
>> >the assoiciated info so I can learn...? Or even a good book. OH and no I
>> >have not payed for that program as of yet I am telling them they would have
>> >to get it working. Hey if you have a idea on how to do this without using
>> >that particlar program hey I'm all ears ;). Anyhow again thanks very much
>> >for all your help..
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >
>> >Rick
>>
>> Rick,
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>> Browse thru my website. I'm working on what you're asking for - and if there
>> are holes, I generally write / fill holes on the fly. So ask questions when
>> they occur to you. Start at the Welcome page, then look at the Tutorial
>> selection. And follow the links.
>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/12/welcome-to-pchucks-network.html>
>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/12/welcome-to-pchucks-network.html
>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/12/welcome-to-pchucks-network.html#Tutorials>
>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/12/welcome-to-pchucks-network.html#Tutorials
>>
>> As far as a solution to your monitoring your son's Internet use, I would think
>> about that for a while. This is a techie forum, and we do like to use techie
>> solutions. For human relationships like you must surely have with your son,
>> though, you might want to consider a little trust (and occasional random
>> monitoring). And keep his computer in the open, not locked away in his bedroom.
>>
>> Many parents, asking for help here, find that periodic honest talks with the
>> kids works wonders. With the right router and router log, you can probably keep
>> track of what websites he visits anyway. And being realistic, many parents find
>> that any electronic solutions, used without backup, simply motivate the kids to
>> learn how to bypass them. Which is good if you want a teenage computer freak,
>> not so good if you want a normal (are there any?) teenager.
>>
>> But don't give up on the Etherboss product! Give them a chance to make it work.
>> We could both benefit from that. And I will look for alternate products, which
>> I know have been discussed here in the past.

>Hello and again thank you for your help. Well the problem is my son is
>mentally challanged he is accually 14 however has a mind of a 10 year old.
>Thus the reason why I would like to be able to monitor things. My worry is
>not so much him but the wierdo's out there and do not wish to read etvery
>conversation however if II notice him talking with someone that has wierd
>answers or set off red flags that Ihe might no consider wierd or set off
>flags in my sons head. That is basicly where I stand. At 14 I don't expect
>him to tell me everything I would just like to know that I can review things
>if I feel something is amist...
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>Anyhow regarding etherboss okay I will strap a studded collar on those guys
>and whip 'em until they get this working ;) Again thanks alot and yes I will
>review your site.
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>Regards,
>
>Rick

Rick,

In that case, and having thought about it, you might want to consider a VNC
solution. VNC puts an image of his desktop on yours. I use UltraVNC to support
a number of clients remotely, some on the other end of the country.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/essential-tools-for-desktop-and.html#UltraVNC>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/essential-tools-for-desktop-and.html#UltraVNC

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Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.
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