Re: 3 workgroup PCs that can ping but unable to see PCs in workgro

On Mon, 10 Oct 2005 07:04:29 -0700, Chris Brobst
<ChrisBrobst@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>"Chuck" wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 7 Oct 2005 05:45:02 -0700, Chris Brobst
>> <ChrisBrobst@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> >"Chuck" wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:56:03 -0700, Chris Brobst
>> >> <ChrisBrobst@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >"Chuck" wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Tue, 4 Oct 2005 10:29:03 -0700, Chris Brobst
>> >> >> <ChrisBrobst@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >--------------PC 1 ------------------------------------------
>> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration
>> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : E589BD7506A54D4
>> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
>> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
>> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
>> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
>> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
>> >> >> >Connection
>> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-81-0B
>> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
>> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
>> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.104
>> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
>> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>> >> >> >11:52:21 AM
>> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>> >> >> >11:53:21 AM
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
>> >> >> > Browsing is active on domain.
>> >> >> > Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> >> >Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
>> >> >> >of browser master: 5
>> >> >> > \\\\D60B7B834B9E4A. Version:05.01 Flags: 51003 NT POTENTIAL MASTER
>> >> >> > 1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> >> > \\D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> >> > There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
>> >> >> > There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C499EBE2-9F6B-4A48-9F01-2A5EF66CDBC7}
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >-----------PC
>> >> >> >2---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration
>> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
>> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
>> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
>> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
>> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
>> >> >> >Connection
>> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-80-95
>> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
>> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
>> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.158
>> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
>> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>> >> >> >12:50:08 PM
>> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>> >> >> >12:51:08 PM
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
>> >> >> > Browsing is active on domain.
>> >> >> > Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> >> > Master browser is running build 2600
>> >> >> > 1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> >> > \\D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> >> > There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
>> >> >> > There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{0A311C16-68C2-47CA-A34D-3A8851D51C1D}
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >---------PC
>> >> >> >3-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Windows IP Configuration
>> >> >> > Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : 9BF7E67DF7844EE
>> >> >> > Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
>> >> >> > Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
>> >> >> > IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>> >> >> > WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Ethernet adapter Local Area Connection:
>> >> >> > Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
>> >> >> > Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/100 VE Network
>> >> >> >Connection
>> >> >> > Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-0F-FE-34-80-ED
>> >> >> > Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : Yes
>> >> >> > Autoconfiguration Enabled . . . . : Yes
>> >> >> > IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.192
>> >> >> > Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
>> >> >> > Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> >> >> > DHCP Server . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> >> >> > DNS Servers . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>> >> >> > Lease Obtained. . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>> >> >> >12:50:23 PM
>> >> >> > Lease Expires . . . . . . . . . . : Tuesday, October 04, 2005
>> >> >> >12:51:23 PM
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Status for domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}
>> >> >> > Browsing is active on domain.
>> >> >> > Master browser name is: D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> >> >Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
>> >> >> >of browser master: 5
>> >> >> > \\\\D60B7B834B9E4A. Version:05.01 Flags: 51003 NT POTENTIAL MASTER
>> >> >> > 1 backup servers retrieved from master D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> >> > \\D60B7B834B9E4A0
>> >> >> > There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}
>> >> >> > There are 1 domains in domain WORKGROUP on transport
>> >> >> >\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{BF9BC44F-4F22-41C3-877F-8316C74F49CD}
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Chris,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> OK, that's a start. You have 3 computers, and each has elected the same master
>> >> >> browser - D60B7B834B9E4A0. Yet each shows:
>> >> >> There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And you have on each of the 2 that are not D60B7B834B9E4A0:
>> >> >> Could not open key in registry, error = 5
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You need to start with looking for misconfigured / overlooked firewalls, and at
>> >> >> registry setting restrictanonymous, on each computer.
>> >> >> Misconfigured / overlooked firewalls:
>> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html>
>> >> >> Registry setting restrictanonymous:
>> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/07/restrictanonymous-and-your-server.html>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> If no help yet, read my articles:
>> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/mysterious-error-5-aka-access-denied.html>
>> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/mysterious-error-5-aka-access-denied.html
>> >> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html>
>> >> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Please let us know if any of these suggestions are of any help. What you learn
>> >> >> may help others in the future, and that's the purpose of these forums.
>> >>
>> >> >Now I have check the firewall setting on each computer and they look good. I
>> >> >even disabled the firewall on each client. Still no luck. I looked at the
>> >> >router's firewall settings and its wide open. I also check the registry
>> >> >settings for the guest account and everything is set correctly. We have the
>> >> >guest acct active and checked that. Also check the security policy to logon
>> >> >locally and anonymously. I also checked the registry settings as indicated in
>> >> >your KB.
>> >> >
>> >> >Question - can imaging machines cause issues with the browser? As 2 of the 3
>> >> >machines here are exact images -minus computer name?
>> >> >Question - does the NetBIOS name have to be less the 8 characters?
>> >> >Question - will using the (default option) NetBIOS over TCPIP play a role in
>> >> >this issue?
>> >> >
>> >> >Any help would be greatly appreciated as I have to create an image of a
>> >> >machine that if network ready with the capabilities of browsing the network
>> >> >at anytime in a workgroup.
>> >> >
>> >> >Thanks.
>> >> >Chris
>> >>
>> >> Chris,
>> >>
>> >> The browser is a dynamic, peer-peer resource cataloging system. As long as
>> >> you're not imaging a computer that some server (Windows computer running the
>> >> server service) sees as its browser, the browser process won't be affected.
>> >>
>> >> You should find details about these issues:
>> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html>
>> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html
>> >>
>> >> There is no 8-character limit on NetBIOS names. There are some name length
>> >> limits, but none that involve 8 characters, that I am aware of.
>> >> <http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/en/advanced/help/default.asp?url=/windows2000/en/advanced/help/print_choosing_a_printer_name.htm>
>> >> http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/en/advanced/help/default.asp?url=/windows2000/en/advanced/help/print_choosing_a_printer_name.htm
>> >> <http://support.microsoft.com/?id=231312>
>> >> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=231312
>> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#Sharing>
>> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#Sharing
>> >>
>> >> The Default NBT setting could be a problem. If your DHCP server is a NAT
>> >> router, it won't provide the setting to turn NetBIOS on. That setting is for
>> >> LANs that have real DHCP servers, not NAT routers running DHCP.
>> >> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#Components>
>> >> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#Components
>>
>> >Thanks.
>> >No server will be running and Yes the router, I believe uses NAT.
>> >All machines are XP Pro.
>> >
>> >With that should we be use the Peer to Peer service or the Simple TCP/IP?
>> >Both are currently turned off on the computers.
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> The essential components and services are listed in my article:
>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#Components>
>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#Components
>>
>> If you want to know more about services, here is the definitive reference:
>> <http://web.archive.org/web/20041130032640/http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm>
>> http://web.archive.org/web/20041130032640/http://www.blackviper.com/WinXP/servicecfg.htm

>Still having problems:
>- I am not sure exactly what you are saying about imaging a server that
>service was running on. Do you mean that I may have imaged a machine and
>while it already had a master browser to point to?
>
>Ther are 2 types of images running in this test workgroup.
>2 as an image of on antother with differnt PC names and 2 of a different
>image with different PC names.
>All the PCs have teh following services running.
>-Computer browser
>-server
>-TCP/IP/net bios helper
>
>
>Any help that i can get for this would greatly be appricated as it is
>holding up my project from deployment.

Chris,

The discussion about imaging may or may not be relevant to your problem. I was
saying that the browsing process involves a "server" (remember that all Windows
Networking computers are servers). As long as you don't interfere with the
server that's actually providing browsing services, you can image all you want,
without causing any problems.

If you're worried about a need to hold up your imaging until you resolve your
browsing problems, I suggest that you read a bit about the issue, so you can
plan your activities more effectively.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html

You do need NetBIOS Over TCP/IP working. If your DHCP server is a NAT router,
that means you have to have NBT set to Enable, NOT to Default. Default is for
LANs with an actual DHCP server, where the DHCP server can issue a setting to
enable or disable NBT.

All that said, I have to warn you that I'm currently suffering from discussion
latency, so I will have to reread the discussion a bit to verify what we've done
to date. The whole issue of Windows Networking is unbelievably complex when it
goes wrong. Please read some of my articles at the top of my Welcome article.
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/12/welcome-to-pchucks-network.html>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/12/welcome-to-pchucks-network.html

When you say "Still having problems" without providing any detail as to what
you've done, in response to the articles which I suggested you read, you're not
helping either of us.

In reviewing your "browstat status" and "ipconfig /all" listings, I see:
"There are 0 servers in domain WORKGROUP"
too consistently. You have to solve this first. IMHE, you should see:
"There are n servers in domain WORKGROUP", where n should equal the number of
computers on the network at any time. Did you read my specified article?
<http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#Components>
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/troubleshooting-network-neighborhood.html#Components

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
My email is AT DOT
actual address pchuck mvps org.
.

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