Re: view workgroup computers

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"Chuck" <none@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:45:03 +0930, "Li'l Roberto"
> <whoisit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
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>>"Li'l Roberto" <whoisit@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>>"Chuck" <none@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> <SNIP>
>
>>> Robert,
>>>
>>> OK, let me summarise what you're reporting, then describe what we're
>>> looking
>>> for.
>>>
>>> You are observing latency, and pretty consistent latency. Pentium3,
>>> when
>>> starting Windows Explorer, waits 15 - 20 seconds before displaying the
>>> contents
>>> of Network Neighborhood. This only occurs when the firewall on Roberto,
>>> the
>>> server, is on.
>>>
>>> When Windows Explorer is open on Roberto, and displays the identical
>>> shares,
>>> this latency does NOT occur. Windows Explorer on Roberto, regardless of
>>> firewalls on either computer, does NOT exhibit any latency.
>>>
>>> Latency might be caused by one of two things - resource unavailability,
>>> and
>>> network timeout. So for one, we want to watch activity on both Pentium3
>>> and
>>> Roberto while the latency is observed. For the other, I was looking for
>>> a
>>> network issue, such as maybe name resolution.
>>>
>>> Now name resolution could be an issue, if you were attempting server
>>> based
>>> resolution on a network with no WINS server. The Unknown node type, on
>>> a
>>> WINS
>>> network, will be treated like Hybrid, or H-node, which will attempt to
>>> use
>>> a
>>> WINS server; if no server is available, will try Broadcast resolution.
>>> <http://support.microsoft.com/?id=160177>
>>>
>>> But you have removed all references to WINS (ie, you cleaned up the WINS
>>> proxy
>>> issue), and the latency continues.
>>>
>>> So we're left wondering what service is being blocked by the firewall.
>>> You
>>> state that you have File and Printer Sharing enabled, for the subnet, in
>>> Windows
>>> Firewall.
>>>
>>> The above is a brief summary of my thoughts. Is this in agreement with
>>> your
>>> observations? I will be rethinking all of these issues for a while,
>>> looking for
>>> additional question, and for corrections.
>>>
>>> What is the history of Pentium3 and Roberto? How long have they been in
>>> use?
>>> How long have they been in use with this network configuration? And
>>> special
>>> software on either, now or in the past?
>>>
>>> Hopefully some of the above questions will prompt questions from you.
>>
>>
>>Chuck
>>again thanks for you time ,you are spot on with your understanding
>>of
>>the problem,
>>Roberto as been up for around six months and is fully patched,
>>it's
>>my main PC and runs
>>
>> MYOB, OfficeXP, ECI Client [ability to logon to the Australian Tax
>>Office Server and do Tax related transactions on line], Wall
>>Watcher,
>>Adobe Reader,
>>Sun Java [required for ECI Client ], Firefly, Dot NET [all updates], PC
>>Eye web Cam software, Google World. NASA World Wind, Nero Express
>>DVD/CD-RW,Messenger, Spy Bot S&D, Ad-Aware F-PROT for Windows, that's
>>about
>>it.
>>FWIW I have created Peer to PEER LANs with XP home [never Pro though]
>>based PCs in the past since Roberto was built, with out this problem
>>occurring, I noticed the problem as soon as Pentium3 was setup to
>>join Roberto.
>>Pentium3 is a fresh built system, no other software installed.
>>
>>Robert
>
>>Chuck
>>Here is some additional info on the problem, given that in the
>>past
>>XPHE to XPHE never produced this slowness, I decided to install
>>Win98SE
>>on Pentium3 out of curiosity. The problem did not appear, so it
>>seems
>>as if it is something to do with the XP Pro installation ?.
>>Does this give you some thing more to work on as to what might
>>be
>>causing the problem.
>>
>>Robert

Chuck
my answers are in line

> So now you have a Windows XP Home server (Roberto), and a Windows 98
> client
> (Pentium3)? And the problem has been resolved?

Correct

> If that's true, then the problem would appear to be related to the install
> of
> Windows XP Pro on Pentium3. Unfortunately, you have destroyed any traces
> of the
> problem.

No, I am using bootitng images, I have the different OS's on a
seperate partition.

> I guess the next question is whether re installing XP Pro on Pentium3 will
> restore the problem? If you're up for that, being as you paid for Windows
> XP
> Pro, right?

Right
FWIW I even used my XP HE CD and did an install just to see if that
would work - no joy.

Anyway I'll be setting up an XP Small Business Server 2003 here
shortly, mainly for my own knowledge [as well as use] so this issue
with XP Pro, whilst annoying will not enter the equation [hopefully] as I
will have a domain.
That is, when I learn to configure it !!.

I have another question, for you :
With regards the XP Pro Upgrade CD, I am sure it is possible to use
this type of CD to preform a fresh install of XP Pro on a system
without an OS. During the initial set up proceess you will asked to
provide as complying product [eg Win98SE], put that CD in the drive,
once verified the installation will continue.

I rang Microsoft to verify this but was told by a support person
this is not correct, and there needs to be a base OS in place
already for the XP install to build on.

Have you had any personal experience going the upgrade that with XP,
if so is it possible to preform a clean install with the upgrade CD.

Robert



> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck mvps org.


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