Re: Networks

On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:35:13 +0100, "David Kelsey"
<david_kelseyNO@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>"Chuck" <none@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>news:4vane1pu2hn145rkleac5k7j1nhes2f426@xxxxxxxxxx
>> On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:02:06 +0100, "David Kelsey"
>> <david_kelseyNO@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

<SNIP>

>>>I did have a problem with setting up a USB2 VPN, but no-one in this group
>>>had had any experience with this, so I struggled with trial and error
>>>until
>>>eventually I have a two-computer network that works, albeit rather slowly
>>>sometimes. The point I am making is that if I, a 75-year-old user with 25
>>>years of experience of computing, but no experience of networks, can set
>>>it
>>>up, it ought to be a piece of cake for a computer, don't you think? They
>>>do
>>>much more complicated things than that, surely, like word processing, and
>>>spreadsheets and so on, which just work when you install them, and
>>>continue
>>>to work for years. And yes, I am venting, because there is no other way
>>>that I know of to express an opinion or seek an improvement. I used to
>>>send
>>>stuff to the MS wishlist, but that is like the Bermuda Triangle. I can't
>>>e-mail Bill, because I gather he gets 4 million mails a day, and he might
>>>not have time to read mine. I just hope that someone from MS will read
>>>this
>>>stuff and push for something to be done. There must be some way in which
>>>they can respond to users' feelings and opinions. Maybe they should add a
>>>group for venting (barred to Linux and Mac users of course, or it would
>>>end
>>>up like ZD Net.)
>>>
>>>David
>>
>> David,
>>
>> Computers, and network equipment, are sold today in Walmart. Nine of tem
>> Walmart shoppers have no more knowledge of computers than how to turn them
>> on.
>> That's the way it will be for a long time, so best get used to it.
>>
>> Microsoft will keep making them simpler, with stuff like the Networking
>> Setup
>> Wizard, which makes it tougher for folks like us to figure out. I have to
>> read
>> this over several times to figure it out.
>> (1) This computer connects directly to the Internet. The other computers
>> on my
>> network connect to the Internet through this computer.
>> (2) This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my
>> network or through a residential gateway.
>> (3) This computer connects to the Internet directly or through a network
>> hub.
>> Other computers on my network also connect to the Internet directly or
>> through a
>> hub.
>> (4) This computer connects directly to the Internet. I do not have a
>> network
>> yet.
>> (5) This computer belongs to a network that does not have an Internet
>> connection.
>>
>> And as long as computers are sold in Walmart, and Joe Sixpack buys one and
>> takes
>> it home as a present for his sons (daughters) 10th birthday, and plugs it
>> in,
>> he's going to make mistakes. As Malke says, we see more mistakes than
>> non-mistakes.
>>
>> We'll solve those mistakes one case at a time. Hopefully a few folks will
>> read
>> what we write, and learn from it, but we will probably not know of the
>> folks we
>> help. But we'll hear from the folks who we tried to help, but couldn't,
>> and
>> they'll call us names.
>>
>> You can't help Linux / Mac users - they are a lost cause. Ditto folks who
>> use
>> NetBEUI for networking.

>Thanks Chuck - I'm still laughing! Very true, though. My immediate
>reaction when I see stuff like that is to say just gimme a goddamn network!
>You're a computer - you work it out.
>
>David

Joe says the same thing. He'll probably unwind after with a couple beers too.
Come to think of it, maybe I will.

The more you understand, the more you know you don't.

--
Cheers,
Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
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Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
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