Re: Networks

Thanks Chuck - I'm still laughing! Very true, though. My immediate
reaction when I see stuff like that is to say just gimme a goddamn network!
You're a computer - you work it out.

David


"Chuck" <none@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:4vane1pu2hn145rkleac5k7j1nhes2f426@xxxxxxxxxx
> On Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:02:06 +0100, "David Kelsey"
> <david_kelseyNO@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>"Malke" <invalid@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>news:u01dvdRlFHA.1416@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> David Kelsey wrote:
>>>
>>>> I know this is strictly not the right place to ask this, but does
>>>> anyone know why Microsoft seem to give us so much trouble in setting
>>>> up a network? Is there some overwhelming issue that prevents this task
>>>> being just a matter
>>>> of a few mouse clicks? I have never seen so many similar problems in
>>>> one
>>>> newsgroup before, not since the days of SP1. Doesn't this indicate a
>>>> distinct failure in programming skills by the huge brains at MS? At
>>>> the end of the day, people sort out the problems in the field, so why
>>>> can't our computers sort them out for us?
>>>>
>>>> David Kelsey
>>>
>>> You have to remember that this is a tech support newsgroup and so you
>>> aren't seeing posts about how great someone's computer works. If you go
>>> to a hospital, you'll see a lot of sick people. Does that mean
>>> everybody in town is sick?
>>>
>>> I can't answer your question about why it isn't more brain-dead-easy to
>>> set up networking in XP because I'm not a programmer and I don't work
>>> for Microsoft. However, I can tell you that it isn't that hard to do
>>> either, although many people seem to think computers should be as easy
>>> to operate as toasters. Computers are marketed like that, but it isn't
>>> true. Computers are complex and powerful machines that require a little
>>> more knowledge to use than is required to toast bread.
>>>
>>> Are you having a problem you'd like help with or are you just venting?
>>>
>>> Malke
>
>>I did have a problem with setting up a USB2 VPN, but no-one in this group
>>had had any experience with this, so I struggled with trial and error
>>until
>>eventually I have a two-computer network that works, albeit rather slowly
>>sometimes. The point I am making is that if I, a 75-year-old user with 25
>>years of experience of computing, but no experience of networks, can set
>>it
>>up, it ought to be a piece of cake for a computer, don't you think? They
>>do
>>much more complicated things than that, surely, like word processing, and
>>spreadsheets and so on, which just work when you install them, and
>>continue
>>to work for years. And yes, I am venting, because there is no other way
>>that I know of to express an opinion or seek an improvement. I used to
>>send
>>stuff to the MS wishlist, but that is like the Bermuda Triangle. I can't
>>e-mail Bill, because I gather he gets 4 million mails a day, and he might
>>not have time to read mine. I just hope that someone from MS will read
>>this
>>stuff and push for something to be done. There must be some way in which
>>they can respond to users' feelings and opinions. Maybe they should add a
>>group for venting (barred to Linux and Mac users of course, or it would
>>end
>>up like ZD Net.)
>>
>>David
>
> David,
>
> Computers, and network equipment, are sold today in Walmart. Nine of tem
> Walmart shoppers have no more knowledge of computers than how to turn them
> on.
> That's the way it will be for a long time, so best get used to it.
>
> Microsoft will keep making them simpler, with stuff like the Networking
> Setup
> Wizard, which makes it tougher for folks like us to figure out. I have to
> read
> this over several times to figure it out.
> (1) This computer connects directly to the Internet. The other computers
> on my
> network connect to the Internet through this computer.
> (2) This computer connects to the Internet through another computer on my
> network or through a residential gateway.
> (3) This computer connects to the Internet directly or through a network
> hub.
> Other computers on my network also connect to the Internet directly or
> through a
> hub.
> (4) This computer connects directly to the Internet. I do not have a
> network
> yet.
> (5) This computer belongs to a network that does not have an Internet
> connection.
>
> And as long as computers are sold in Walmart, and Joe Sixpack buys one and
> takes
> it home as a present for his sons (daughters) 10th birthday, and plugs it
> in,
> he's going to make mistakes. As Malke says, we see more mistakes than
> non-mistakes.
>
> We'll solve those mistakes one case at a time. Hopefully a few folks will
> read
> what we write, and learn from it, but we will probably not know of the
> folks we
> help. But we'll hear from the folks who we tried to help, but couldn't,
> and
> they'll call us names.
>
> You can't help Linux / Mac users - they are a lost cause. Ditto folks who
> use
> NetBEUI for networking.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck, MS-MVP [Windows - Networking]
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem, when it's a normal response from experience.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck mvps org.


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