Re: network with 98se's.


"Chuck" <none@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 19:58:01 -0500, "L/P" <ofallons1232000@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Chuck" <none@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>news:ovsjb1993i2pi9voguk1023eh4u35h7kfc@xxxxxxxxxx
>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:53:04 -0500, "L/P" <ofallon1232000@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Chuck" <none@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>>>>news:70ejb1hl1lhbp9lekpm5lpkrbtqvia6ner@xxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:47:47 -0500, "L/P" <ofallon1232000@xxxxxxxxx>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>New to networking so here is a "detailed" description of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>setup.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>5 xp home ed., 1x acting as server and 2x 98se.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1x cable modem, 1x Linksys 5 port router and 1x Belkin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wired/wireless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>router. Workgroup=Mshome.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>This was originally set up with 4 xp's in office#1 working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fine,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>3(including
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>server) hooked into the Linksys and 1 into the Belkin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The Belkin is hooked into the Linksys. Not sure if this is the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"best"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>setup
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>but it's working for them so I can't change anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Office#2 (1xp and the 2x98se) were just added. Ran
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Netsetup.exe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>both
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>98
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>systems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Office#2 only,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the xp(wabash1) see's the 3 systems from office#1(alt1, alt2,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>alt3),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>server
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and one 98se(wabash3). The 98se(wabash3) see everything also.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wabash1(xp) and 3(98se) are connected to the Linksys router.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The other 98se(wabash2) is in a back office so installed a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Netgear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wireless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>PCI adapter, left in the Aopen ethernet card??, and it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>connecting
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Belkin router which, again, is connected to the Linksys
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>router.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>All systems have internet access, no problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>All system have NAV 2005 and Zone Alarm. Uninstalled ZA, set
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>network/system and then reinstalled.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I tried to use the same setting from wabash3 to wabash2 but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>connecting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>tpc/ip setting, master brower is disabled, etc.etc.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Additional findings,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We tried a laptop(xp wireless) through the Belkin and it works
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>fine.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>When I open Network Neig. on wabash3, I can see everything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>except
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wabash2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>BUT when I click on Wabash1 get the following error msg.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"//wabash1 is not accessible.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The computer or sharename could not be found. make sure you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>typed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>correctly, and try again."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Also, on wabash2 (98 not connecting), when I open NN all that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>shows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>up
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the Entire Network icon. on the other 98 (#3) it has text down
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>left
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>side.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Not sure if this is helpful or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Any suggestions please,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Suggestions please,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any time you combine Windows 9x (95, 98, ME) and Windows NT
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (NT,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2000,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> XP,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2003)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on a LAN, you have to expect problems with Network
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neighborhood.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>>>>>> browser
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (subsystem that populates the NN display) on Windows 9x and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NT
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> work the same, and will conflict. The conflicts, as your
>>>>>>>>>>>>> observation
>>>>>>>>>>>>> shows,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> aren't always consistent.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/windows-9x-9598me-and-browser.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks for getting back sooo soon. I turned off the "Master
>>>>>>>>>>>>Browser"
>>>>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>>>both
>>>>>>>>>>>>98 machine but will check other setup, How do I disable master
>>>>>>>>>>>>browsing
>>>>>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>>>>>Windows? or Win98 Trouble Shooting. when I get back to work
>>>>>>>>>>>>tomorrow
>>>>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>>>report findings to see if I can get the 98se system up and
>>>>>>>>>>>>running
>>>>>>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>network.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>L.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Disabling the browser on Windows NT:
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html#Prevent>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Checking for browser conflict from Windows NT:
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Make sure you don't have a misconfigured or forgotten firewall:
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Checked everything "suggested" and still not sure what to do.
>>>>>>>>>>Since I have one 98se system connecting to all systems, except the
>>>>>>>>>>other98se, I thought it might be best to work on one
>>>>>>>>>>problem/system
>>>>>>>>>>at
>>>>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>>>>time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The only problem I'm having with wabash3 (98se that does connect)
>>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>when
>>>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>>go into NN and click on wabash1 (my xp machine) I get the
>>>>>>>>>>following
>>>>>>>>>>error
>>>>>>>>>>msg.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"//wabash1 is not accessible.
>>>>>>>>>>The computer or sharename could not be found. make sure you typed
>>>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>>correctly, and try again."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Also noticed when I click on one of the other machine, office01, I
>>>>>>>>>>get
>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>following screen msg;
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Enter network password
>>>>>>>>>>you must supply a password to make this connect.
>>>>>>>>>>Resourse: \\office01\ipc$
>>>>>>>>>>password:
>>>>>>>>>>(Not worried about getting into other systems, office1,2,3,server.
>>>>>>>>>>Trying
>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>connect my systems wabash1,2,3.)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I can get into/open other computers(office02,03 and server) with
>>>>>>>>>>no
>>>>>>>>>>problem.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>L.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK, the IPC$ error when trying to connect to office01, is
>>>>>>>>> authentication.
>>>>>>>>> You
>>>>>>>>> need to enable the Guest account on all XP computers that you want
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> access.
>>>>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Activate>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you're sure that you disabled the browser on both Windows 98
>>>>>>>>> computers,
>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>> run "browstat status" on all Windows XP computers, and make sure
>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>> all
>>>>>>>>> report the same master browser. Multiple master browsers will
>>>>>>>>> cause
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You say all systems have NAV 2005. Is that NAV the standalone
>>>>>>>>> product,
>>>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>>>> did
>>>>>>>>> you install Norton Internet Security?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>1.
>>>>>>>>Since the "other" system(Ofallon1,2,3) and server belong to a
>>>>>>>>business
>>>>>>>>partner AND his system was and is running OK, I may have a problem
>>>>>>>>"messing"
>>>>>>>>with it. ;-) He has an insurance office, mine in real-estate and he
>>>>>>>>needs
>>>>>>>>his system up and running 24/7 so he may have problems with me going
>>>>>>>>over
>>>>>>>>and trying to make any changes to his system.
>>>>>>>>I don't care if I can get into the system(ofallon1) that's gives me
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>IPC$
>>>>>>>>error/msg. In fact, I'd just as soon stay out of it unless it may be
>>>>>>>>causing
>>>>>>>>problems with my systems hooking up.
>>>>>>>>As far as getting into my xp system (see problem with wabash3(98se)
>>>>>>>>connecting to wabash1(xp)), can/should I enable guest account on it
>>>>>>>>so
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>98se can get into the files? It's a different msg. so not sure if
>>>>>>>>this
>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>the problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any XP Home system that you want to access thru the network will
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> Guest
>>>>>>> account activated. Not thru the Control Panel applet either.
>>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Activate>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Before I set Guest account have question.
>>>>>>When I Run-CMD the screen within CMD reads C:\Documents and
>>>>>>Settings\user>
>>>>>>Should I just go ahead and type in;
>>>>>>net user AccountName /active:yes
>>>>>>(Substitute actual account name for "AccountName"), your instructions
>>>>>>or
>>>>>>should I change anything/path?
>>>>>> I'm also guessing the account name would be "wabash1"?????
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>2.
>>>>>>>>I recheck "File and print sharing MS network" and Browse Master is
>>>>>>>>Disabled
>>>>>>>>on both 98se's.
>>>>>>>>Should I disable BM on my xp? If so, how. As stated before, I can
>>>>>>>>see
>>>>>>>>wabash1 from wabash3, I just can't into it.
>>>>>>>>Just checked my xp, CP, Admin, Services, computer browser and it is
>>>>>>>>set
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>"AUTOMATIC".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you have multiple computers, and you want the Network
>>>>>>> Neighborhood
>>>>>>> display to
>>>>>>> be reliable, you have to tune the browser setup on the LAN. Having
>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>> browsers will cause problems. Run browstat on Windows XP, and make
>>>>>>> sure
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> don't have a conflict. The Wabash3 to Wabash1 error is symptomatic
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>have d/l browstat.zip to mydocs-downloads folder.
>>>>>>Not real sure what to do next. unzip where?
>>>>>>Also, will running this program have any chance of 'screwing" anything
>>>>>>up?
>>>>>>Again, I don't want to do anything remotely possible of messing up the
>>>>>>system.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>3.
>>>>>>>>I had Norton System Works on the 2 98se but after reading several
>>>>>>>>newgroups
>>>>>>>>I uninstalled, cleaned, etc. and then reloaded JUST NAV 2005 as a
>>>>>>>>stand
>>>>>>>>alone. I also have Zone Alarm on all 3 systems but I'm guessing
>>>>>>>>that's
>>>>>>>>not
>>>>>>>>the problem as I can get into the 98se(wabash3) from the xp system,
>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>can
>>>>>>>>see the xp(wabash1) from wabash3 but can't get into. Wabash2, next
>>>>>>>>situation, can't see anything nor can anything see it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you have Norton SystemWorks, or Norton AntiVirus, then you don't
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> overlooked firewall. If you do have Zone Alarm, then you do need to
>>>>>>> choose
>>>>>>> between it and Windows Firewall (do you have SP2?). Please note
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> un
>>>>>>> installing Zone Alarm isn't as simple as just running the un install
>>>>>>> wizard.
>>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html>
>>>>>>> <http://www.donhoover.net/uninstall.html>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Have ZA running instead of Windows... Not sure how I turned it off.
>>>>>>Where
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>find firewall wizard?(your instruction on turning off firewall). ""If
>>>>>>you're
>>>>>>going to run a third party firewall, you must disable Windows
>>>>>>Firewall,
>>>>>>but
>>>>>>only from the Windows Firewall wizard - do not make the mistake of
>>>>>>stopping
>>>>>>the Windows Firewall service. The Windows Firewall service breaks
>>>>>>several
>>>>>>network services, if it is stopped.""
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sp2 = yes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I want to take a moment and say "THANK YOU" for helping with this
>>>>>>problem.
>>>>>>Hopefully we'll get it worked out AND I'm learning as we go.
>>>>>>thanks....
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks for the feedback. Learning about computers comes from working
>>>>> on
>>>>> them
>>>>> (and fixing what you break).
>>>>>
>>>>> Windows Firewall is disabled from the Control Panel - Security Center
>>>>> applet.
>>>>> Zone Alarm is un installed using the instructions provided by Don
>>>>> Hoover,
>>>>> if you
>>>>> can't configure it properly. Some folks turn off the WF service,
>>>>> which
>>>>> is
>>>>> the
>>>>> wrong approach, which is why I put that note in there.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Chuck
>>>>> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
>>>>> Paranoia is not a problem - it's a normal response from experience.
>>>>> My email is AT DOT
>>>>> actual address pchuck sonic net.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>This thread is getting to confussing for me to keep up with so I've
>>>>copied
>>>>where we left off and hope to continue the "lesson".
>>>>
>>>>1.
>>>>>>> Any XP Home system that you want to access thru the network will
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> the Guest account activated. Not thru the Control Panel applet
>>>>>>> either.
>>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Activate>
>>>>>>
>>>>1a.......
>>>>Before I set Guest account by your web site instruction, have question.
>>>>When I Run-CMD the screen within CMD reads C:\Documents and
>>>>Settings\user>
>>>>Should I just go ahead and type in;
>>>>net user AccountName /active:yes
>>>>(Substitute actual account name for "AccountName"),
>>>>your instructions or should I change anything/path?
>>>>I'm also guessing the account name would be "wabash1"?????
>>>>
>>>>2.
>>>>>>>>I recheck "File and print sharing MS network" and Browse Master is
>>>>>>>>Disabled on both 98se's.
>>>>>>>>Should I disable BM on my xp? If so, how. As stated before, I can
>>>>>>>>see
>>>>>>>>wabash1 from wabash3, I just can't into it.
>>>>>>>>Just checked my xp, CP, Admin, Services, computer browser and it is
>>>>>>>>set
>>>>>>>>to "AUTOMATIC".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you have multiple computers, and you want the Network
>>>>>>> Neighborhood
>>>>>>> display to be reliable, you have to tune the browser setup on the
>>>>>>> LAN.
>>>>>>> Having too many browsers will cause problems. Run browstat on
>>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>>> XP, and make sure you don't have a conflict. The Wabash3 to Wabash1
>>>>>>> error is symptomatic of this problem.
>>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>2a....
>>>>have d/l browstat.zip to mydocs-downloads folder.
>>>>Not real sure what to do next. unzip where?
>>>>Also, will running this program have any chance of 'screwing" anything
>>>>up?
>>>>Again, I don't want to do anything remotely possible of messing up the
>>>>system.
>>>>
>>>>3.
>>>>ZA vs Windows firewall. I turned WFA off the correct way.
>>>>So we're back to the question under 1a and 2a.
>>>
>>> Unzip it to "C:\Browstat". Run it as:
>>> # Start - Run - "cmd"
>>> # "C:\Browstat\Browstat status"
>>>
>>> Browstat will not mess anything up. It's a diagnostic, like IPConfig.
>>>
>>> Run it from all of your Windows XP systems please.
>
>>Will run it when I get back to work tomorrow AM and post results.
>>I take it you want me to do that before I worry about Guest Account
>>activation?.?
>>(Will also see if I can run it on the other machines, that aren't mine.)
>
> The browser uses anonymous authentication, so running browstat will not
> affect
> Guest activation, nor vice versa. Do the two, separately, at your
> convenience.
>
> If the other computers, that aren't yours, are on your LAN, that could be
> part
> of the problem. Please read my article (yes, it's long, but the subject
> is
> complex):
> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem - it's a normal response from experience.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck sonic net.

Here is what I got when running browstat on my xp.

*****************************************
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\User>c:\browstat\browstat status


Status for domain MSHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{9CDDFFE8-26B2-495D-8D
6D-D67CB7B400DA}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: SERVER
Could not connect to registry, error = 53 Unable to determine build
of br
owser master: 53
\\\\SERVER . Version:05.01 Flags: 51003 NT POTENTIAL MASTER
1 backup servers retrieved from master SERVER
\\SERVER
There are 6 servers in domain MSHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{9CDDF
FE8-26B2-495D-8D6D-D67CB7B400DA}
There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{9CDDF
FE8-26B2-495D-8D6D-D67CB7B400DA}

C:\Documents and Settings\User>

********************************************
When I open cmd this path comes up(C:\Documents and Settings\User>) and
don't know how to change so I just typed in (c:\browstat\browstat status)
after it...


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