Re: network with 98se's.


"Chuck" <none@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:47:47 -0500, "L/P" <ofallon1232000@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>>>>New to networking so here is a "detailed" description of setup.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>5 xp home ed., 1x acting as server and 2x 98se.
>>>>>>>>>>1x cable modem, 1x Linksys 5 port router and 1x Belkin
>>>>>>>>>>wired/wireless
>>>>>>>>>>router. Workgroup=Mshome.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>This was originally set up with 4 xp's in office#1 working fine,
>>>>>>>>>>3(including
>>>>>>>>>>server) hooked into the Linksys and 1 into the Belkin.
>>>>>>>>>>The Belkin is hooked into the Linksys. Not sure if this is the
>>>>>>>>>>"best"
>>>>>>>>>>setup
>>>>>>>>>>but it's working for them so I can't change anything.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Office#2 (1xp and the 2x98se) were just added. Ran Netsetup.exe on
>>>>>>>>>>both
>>>>>>>>>>98
>>>>>>>>>>systems.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Office#2 only,
>>>>>>>>>>the xp(wabash1) see's the 3 systems from office#1(alt1, alt2,
>>>>>>>>>>alt3),
>>>>>>>>>>server
>>>>>>>>>>and one 98se(wabash3). The 98se(wabash3) see everything also.
>>>>>>>>>>Wabash1(xp) and 3(98se) are connected to the Linksys router.
>>>>>>>>>>The other 98se(wabash2) is in a back office so installed a Netgear
>>>>>>>>>>wireless
>>>>>>>>>>PCI adapter, left in the Aopen ethernet card??, and it's
>>>>>>>>>>connecting
>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>Belkin router which, again, is connected to the Linksys router.
>>>>>>>>>>All systems have internet access, no problem.
>>>>>>>>>>All system have NAV 2005 and Zone Alarm. Uninstalled ZA, set up
>>>>>>>>>>network/system and then reinstalled.
>>>>>>>>>>I tried to use the same setting from wabash3 to wabash2 but not
>>>>>>>>>>connecting.
>>>>>>>>>>tpc/ip setting, master brower is disabled, etc.etc.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Additional findings,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>We tried a laptop(xp wireless) through the Belkin and it works
>>>>>>>>>>fine.
>>>>>>>>>>When I open Network Neig. on wabash3, I can see everything except
>>>>>>>>>>wabash2.
>>>>>>>>>>BUT when I click on Wabash1 get the following error msg.
>>>>>>>>>>"//wabash1 is not accessible.
>>>>>>>>>>The computer or sharename could not be found. make sure you typed
>>>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>>correctly, and try again."
>>>>>>>>>>Also, on wabash2 (98 not connecting), when I open NN all that
>>>>>>>>>>shows
>>>>>>>>>>up
>>>>>>>>>>is
>>>>>>>>>>the Entire Network icon. on the other 98 (#3) it has text down the
>>>>>>>>>>left
>>>>>>>>>>side.
>>>>>>>>>>Not sure if this is helpful or not.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Any suggestions please,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Suggestions please,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Any time you combine Windows 9x (95, 98, ME) and Windows NT (NT,
>>>>>>>>> 2000,
>>>>>>>>> XP,
>>>>>>>>> 2003)
>>>>>>>>> on a LAN, you have to expect problems with Network Neighborhood.
>>>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>>>> browser
>>>>>>>>> (subsystem that populates the NN display) on Windows 9x and
>>>>>>>>> Windows
>>>>>>>>> NT
>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>> work the same, and will conflict. The conflicts, as your
>>>>>>>>> observation
>>>>>>>>> shows,
>>>>>>>>> aren't always consistent.
>>>>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/windows-9x-9598me-and-browser.html>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks for getting back sooo soon. I turned off the "Master Browser"
>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>both
>>>>>>>>98 machine but will check other setup, How do I disable master
>>>>>>>>browsing
>>>>>>>>in
>>>>>>>>Windows? or Win98 Trouble Shooting. when I get back to work tomorrow
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>report findings to see if I can get the 98se system up and running
>>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>network.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>L.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Disabling the browser on Windows NT:
>>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html#Prevent>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Checking for browser conflict from Windows NT:
>>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/browstat-utility-from-microsoft.html>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Make sure you don't have a misconfigured or forgotten firewall:
>>>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Checked everything "suggested" and still not sure what to do.
>>>>>>Since I have one 98se system connecting to all systems, except the
>>>>>>other98se, I thought it might be best to work on one problem/system at
>>>>>>a
>>>>>>time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The only problem I'm having with wabash3 (98se that does connect) is
>>>>>>when
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>go into NN and click on wabash1 (my xp machine) I get the following
>>>>>>error
>>>>>>msg.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"//wabash1 is not accessible.
>>>>>>The computer or sharename could not be found. make sure you typed it
>>>>>>correctly, and try again."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Also noticed when I click on one of the other machine, office01, I get
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>following screen msg;
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Enter network password
>>>>>>you must supply a password to make this connect.
>>>>>>Resourse: \\office01\ipc$
>>>>>>password:
>>>>>>(Not worried about getting into other systems, office1,2,3,server.
>>>>>>Trying
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>connect my systems wabash1,2,3.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I can get into/open other computers(office02,03 and server) with no
>>>>>>problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>L.
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, the IPC$ error when trying to connect to office01, is
>>>>> authentication.
>>>>> You
>>>>> need to enable the Guest account on all XP computers that you want to
>>>>> access.
>>>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Activate>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you're sure that you disabled the browser on both Windows 98
>>>>> computers,
>>>>> then
>>>>> run "browstat status" on all Windows XP computers, and make sure that
>>>>> they
>>>>> all
>>>>> report the same master browser. Multiple master browsers will cause
>>>>> this
>>>>> problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> You say all systems have NAV 2005. Is that NAV the standalone
>>>>> product,
>>>>> or
>>>>> did
>>>>> you install Norton Internet Security?
>>>
>>>>1.
>>>>Since the "other" system(Ofallon1,2,3) and server belong to a business
>>>>partner AND his system was and is running OK, I may have a problem
>>>>"messing"
>>>>with it. ;-) He has an insurance office, mine in real-estate and he
>>>>needs
>>>>his system up and running 24/7 so he may have problems with me going
>>>>over
>>>>and trying to make any changes to his system.
>>>>I don't care if I can get into the system(ofallon1) that's gives me the
>>>>IPC$
>>>>error/msg. In fact, I'd just as soon stay out of it unless it may be
>>>>causing
>>>>problems with my systems hooking up.
>>>>As far as getting into my xp system (see problem with wabash3(98se)
>>>>connecting to wabash1(xp)), can/should I enable guest account on it so
>>>>the
>>>>98se can get into the files? It's a different msg. so not sure if this
>>>>is
>>>>the problem.
>>>
>>> Any XP Home system that you want to access thru the network will need
>>> the
>>> Guest
>>> account activated. Not thru the Control Panel applet either.
>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Activate>
>>
>>Before I set Guest account have question.
>>When I Run-CMD the screen within CMD reads C:\Documents and
>>Settings\user>
>>Should I just go ahead and type in;
>>net user AccountName /active:yes
>>(Substitute actual account name for "AccountName"), your instructions or
>>should I change anything/path?
>> I'm also guessing the account name would be "wabash1"?????
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>2.
>>>>I recheck "File and print sharing MS network" and Browse Master is
>>>>Disabled
>>>>on both 98se's.
>>>>Should I disable BM on my xp? If so, how. As stated before, I can see
>>>>wabash1 from wabash3, I just can't into it.
>>>>Just checked my xp, CP, Admin, Services, computer browser and it is set
>>>>to
>>>>"AUTOMATIC".
>>>
>>> If you have multiple computers, and you want the Network Neighborhood
>>> display to
>>> be reliable, you have to tune the browser setup on the LAN. Having too
>>> many
>>> browsers will cause problems. Run browstat on Windows XP, and make sure
>>> you
>>> don't have a conflict. The Wabash3 to Wabash1 error is symptomatic of
>>> this
>>> problem.
>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html>
>>>
>>
>>have d/l browstat.zip to mydocs-downloads folder.
>>Not real sure what to do next. unzip where?
>>Also, will running this program have any chance of 'screwing" anything up?
>>Again, I don't want to do anything remotely possible of messing up the
>>system.
>>
>>>>
>>>>3.
>>>>I had Norton System Works on the 2 98se but after reading several
>>>>newgroups
>>>>I uninstalled, cleaned, etc. and then reloaded JUST NAV 2005 as a stand
>>>>alone. I also have Zone Alarm on all 3 systems but I'm guessing that's
>>>>not
>>>>the problem as I can get into the 98se(wabash3) from the xp system, I
>>>>can
>>>>see the xp(wabash1) from wabash3 but can't get into. Wabash2, next
>>>>situation, can't see anything nor can anything see it.
>>>
>>> If you have Norton SystemWorks, or Norton AntiVirus, then you don't have
>>> an
>>> overlooked firewall. If you do have Zone Alarm, then you do need to
>>> choose
>>> between it and Windows Firewall (do you have SP2?). Please note that un
>>> installing Zone Alarm isn't as simple as just running the un install
>>> wizard.
>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/05/your-personal-firewall-can-either-help.html>
>>> <http://www.donhoover.net/uninstall.html>
>>>
>>Have ZA running instead of Windows... Not sure how I turned it off. Where
>>to
>>find firewall wizard?(your instruction on turning off firewall). ""If
>>you're
>>going to run a third party firewall, you must disable Windows Firewall,
>>but
>>only from the Windows Firewall wizard - do not make the mistake of
>>stopping
>>the Windows Firewall service. The Windows Firewall service breaks several
>>network services, if it is stopped.""
>>
>>Sp2 = yes.
>>
>>I want to take a moment and say "THANK YOU" for helping with this problem.
>>Hopefully we'll get it worked out AND I'm learning as we go. thanks....
>
> Thanks for the feedback. Learning about computers comes from working on
> them
> (and fixing what you break).
>
> Windows Firewall is disabled from the Control Panel - Security Center
> applet.
> Zone Alarm is un installed using the instructions provided by Don Hoover,
> if you
> can't configure it properly. Some folks turn off the WF service, which is
> the
> wrong approach, which is why I put that note in there.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck
> http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/
> Paranoia is not a problem - it's a normal response from experience.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck sonic net.



This thread is getting to confussing for me to keep up with so I've copied
where we left off and hope to continue the "lesson".

1.
>>> Any XP Home system that you want to access thru the network will need
>>> the Guest account activated. Not thru the Control Panel applet either.
>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/06/file-sharing-under-windows-xp.html#Activate>
>>
1a.......
Before I set Guest account by your web site instruction, have question.
When I Run-CMD the screen within CMD reads C:\Documents and Settings\user>
Should I just go ahead and type in;
net user AccountName /active:yes
(Substitute actual account name for "AccountName"),
your instructions or should I change anything/path?
I'm also guessing the account name would be "wabash1"?????

2.
>>>>I recheck "File and print sharing MS network" and Browse Master is
>>>>Disabled on both 98se's.
>>>>Should I disable BM on my xp? If so, how. As stated before, I can see
>>>>wabash1 from wabash3, I just can't into it.
>>>>Just checked my xp, CP, Admin, Services, computer browser and it is set
>>>>to "AUTOMATIC".
>>>
>>> If you have multiple computers, and you want the Network Neighborhood
>>> display to be reliable, you have to tune the browser setup on the LAN.
>>> Having too many browsers will cause problems. Run browstat on Windows
>>> XP, and make sure you don't have a conflict. The Wabash3 to Wabash1
>>> error is symptomatic of this problem.
>>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.html>
>>>

2a....
have d/l browstat.zip to mydocs-downloads folder.
Not real sure what to do next. unzip where?
Also, will running this program have any chance of 'screwing" anything up?
Again, I don't want to do anything remotely possible of messing up the
system.

3.
ZA vs Windows firewall. I turned WFA off the correct way.
So we're back to the question under 1a and 2a.


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