Re: Home LAN : XP Pro SP2 - passwords ? Master browser ?


"Pete" <no@xxxxxx> a écrit dans le message de news:
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> "Pete Kennedy" <peterkennedy@xxxxxxxxxx> a écrit dans le message de news:
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>> "Chuck" <none@xxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit dans le message de news:
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>>> On Mon, 2 May 2005 23:28:36 +0200, "Pete" <no@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> >"Chuck" <none@xxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit dans le message de news:
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>>> >> On Mon, 2 May 2005 19:18:24 +0200, "Pete" <no@xxxxxx> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>"Chuck" <none@xxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit dans le message de news:
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>>> >>>> On Mon, 2 May 2005 13:57:38 +0200, "Pete Kennedy"
>>> >>>> <peterkennedy@xxxxxxxxxx>
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>>Hi,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>I recently connected a new laptop running XP Pro SP2 to an existing
>>> >>>>>network
>>> >>>>>with the host desktop running XP Pro SP2 and a client running XP
>>> >>>>>Home
>> SP2.
>>> >>>>>I
>>> >>>>>have a very common problem in that the host can't see the new
>>> >>>>>laptop
>> in my
>>> >>>>>network places. Sometimes, the other laptop, running XP Home SP2,
>>> >>>>>can
>> see
>>> >>>>>the new laptop, and sometimes it can't. The new laptop can access
>>> >>>>>the
>>> >>>>>other
>>> >>>>>computers' files. I think the problem was initially caused when the
>>> >>>>>network
>>> >>>>>cable was plugged into the new laptop for the first time - DHCP
>> attributed
>>> >>>>>an IP address and the (third party) firewall immediately thought an
>> attack
>>> >>>>>was coming from the host and blocked it. So, an election was held
>>> >>>>>and
>> the
>>> >>>>>new laptop designated itself as the master browser. So now the LAN
>> has
>>> >>>>>perhaps two master browsers and, chaos.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>I've read that you can disable the browser service but that its not
>>> >>>>>necessarily a good idea to do so. I wonder therefore whether it
>> wouldn't
>>> >>>>>be
>>> >>>>>a better idea to reinstall the network connnection on the new
>>> >>>>>laptop
>>> >>>>>without
>>> >>>>>running the firewall at the same time. I can then configure the
>> firewall
>>> >>>>>on
>>> >>>>>each PC manually to stop false "attacks". Is this advisable or is
>> there a
>>> >>>>>better solution ? And what would happen when the laptop was opened
>> without
>>> >>>>>being connected to the LAN - another election ?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>Also, I have seen that user account passwords must be used on XP
>>> >>>>>Pro
>>> >>>>>machines with simple file sharing enabled. However, the desktop XP
>> Pro and
>>> >>>>>the old laptop running XP Home see each other just fine without
>> passwords
>>> >>>>>and can access each others files. So, is it really necessary or is
>> the
>>> >>>>>current situation a reflection of a duff network configuration ?
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>Thanks for your advice.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>Cheers
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Pete,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> The complaint "Sometimes, the other laptop, running XP Home SP2,
>>> >>>> can
>> see
>>> >>>> the new laptop, and sometimes it can't" is likely a browser
>>> >>>> problem.
>>> >>>> Please
>>> >>>> read my browser article:
>>> >>>>
>> <http://nitecruzr.blogspot.com/2005/04/nt-browser-or-why-cant-i-always-see.h
>> tml>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> The problem is not false "attacks" that can be blocked by a
>>> >>>> firewall.
>> The
>>> >>>> problem is the master browser election process.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> If the laptop is running the browser service, and you start it
>> without
>>> >>>> connecting it to the LAN, then yes, it will quite likely elect
>>> >>>> itself
>> a
>>> >>>> master
>>> >>>> browser. Connect it, and you will have chaos again.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> If you're running Simple File Sharing on all computers (XP Home and
>> Pro),
>>> >>>> the
>>> >>>> Guest account is used for authorisation. You need to either have
>>> >>>> an
>>> >>>> identical
>>> >>>> password, or no password, on all computers.
>>>
>>> >>>Thanks,
>>> >>>
>>> >>>I've disabled the Browser Service on the new (problem) laptop.
>>> >>>However,
>> it
>>> >>>doesn't appear possible to give the guest account a password, either
>> real,
>>> >>>or blank. How am I supposed to do it ? Or am I supposed to give the
>> same
>>> >>>password to all the other accounts on each machine.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Confused
>>> >>>
>>> >>>Peter
>>> >>>
>>> >> Peter,
>>> >>
>>> >> On each computer, enable the Guest account, using Start - Run -
>>> >> "cmd" -
>> type
>>> >> "net user guest /active:yes" in the command window. Set the password
>> with Start
>>> >> - Run - "control userpasswords2"; select Guest, click Reset Password.
>>>
>>> >Ok, identical passwords set on all accounts, guests included, on all
>> computers. The old XP Home laptop can now see the new XP Pro laptop in
>> the
>> workgroup area and also in my network places. Progress! However, the
>> desktop
>> (host) XP Pro computer cannot see the new laptop in my network places but
>> can see it in the workgroup area. I've disabled the master browser on the
>> new laptop. What can the problem be ?
>>> >
>>> >This is the config on each machine (sorry, my versions of Windows are
>>> >in
>> French - I've translated some of it - but I daresay you'll understand
>> what's
>> going on) :
>>>
>>> Peter,
>>>
>>> How about browstat and ipconfig for the third computer? Might be a clue
>> there.
>>>
>>> Did you disable the browser on the old laptop too? Are you running
>>> Simple
>> File
>>> Sharing on both XP Pro systems?
>>>
>>> What do you mean by the workgroup area?
>>>
>>> The browser requires anonymous access, so look at registry key
>>> [HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa], value restrictanonymous, on
>> all
>>> computers.
>>>
>> <http://www.microsoft.com/windows2000/techinfo/reskit/en-us/default.asp?url=
>> /windows2000/techinfo/reskit/en-us/regentry/46688.asp>
>>> <http://www.jsifaq.com/subf/tip2600/rh2625.htm>
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=246261
>>> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=296403
>>>
>>> For browsing to work (for each computer to be listed by a browser), each
>>> computer must have a restrictanonymous value of "0".
>>>
>>> The above articles refer to Windows 2000. Remember Win2K is NT V5.0,
>>> and
>> WinXP
>>> is NT V5.1.
>>>
>>> Have you used the Registry Editor before? If not, it's a scary tool,
>>> but
>> it's
>>> pretty simple once you get used to it. Here are a couple articles that
>> might
>>> help:
>>>
>> <http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/using/productdoc/en/default.asp?url
>> =/windowsxp/home/using/productdoc/en/tools_regeditors.asp>
>>> <http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/registry>
>>>
>>> Just remember to backup the key (create a registry patch) for
>>> [HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Lsa] before making any changes,
>>> if
>>> appropriate.
>>>
>>
>> Chuck,
>>
>> I'll run Browstat and Ipconfig on the third - XP Home - laptop and let
>> you
>> have the results later (I'm in the city today and don't have access to my
>> LAN). By "Workgroup area", I mean the computers shown in the LAN when
>> you
>> click on the MSHOME icon (sorry, I'm translating this from French). My
>> network places, ie shortcuts, on the XP Pro desktop which is the host, do
>> not show the new XP Pro laptop. However, if I click on the "show
>> computers
>> in my workgroup" (or French equivalent), the new Laptop is there. The
>> problem is with "My Network Places" which allows for easier browsing.
>>
>> I've not touched the browser service on the old XP Home computer. Should
>> I ?
>> Both XP Pro machines are using SFS. I disabled the browser service on the
>> new XP Pro laptop. Should I re-enable it ?
>>
>> Regarding the "value restrictanonymous", all values are set to "0" so
>> that
>> would not appear to be the problem.
>>
>> Sigh
>>
>> Thanks for your help.
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>
>
> Chuck,
>
> This is what the third XP Home PC throws up :
>
> Configuration IP de Windows
>
>
>
> Nom de l'hôte . . . . . . . . . . : Peter
>
> Suffixe DNS principal . . . . . . :
>
> Type de noud . . . . . . . . . . : Mixte
>
> Routage IP activé . . . . . . . . : Non
>
> Proxy WINS activé . . . . . . . . : Non
>
> Liste de recherche du suffixe DNS : mshome.net
>
>
>
> Carte Ethernet Connexion au réseau local:
>
>
>
> Suffixe DNS propre à la connexion : mshome.net
>
> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : 3Com 3C920 Integrated Fast
> Ethernet Controller (3C905C-TX Compatible)
>
> Adresse physique . . . . . . . . .: 00-06-5B-D4-61-B6
>
> DHCP activé. . . . . . . . . . . : Oui
>
> Configuration automatique activée . . . . : Oui
>
> Adresse IP. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.234
>
> Masque de sous-réseau . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
>
> Passerelle par défaut . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>
> Serveur DHCP. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>
> Serveurs DNS . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>
> Bail obtenu . . . . . . . . . . . : mardi 3 mai 2005 18:55:30
>
> Bail expirant . . . . . . . . . . : mardi 10 mai 2005 18:55:30
>
> Status for domain MSHOME on transport
> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C27FDC27-FCDC-4D55-B7C0-1BA34C27F45D}
> Browsing is active on domain.
> Master browser name is: AGNES
> Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
> of browser master: 5
> \\\\AGNES . Version:05.01 Flags: 51203 NT POTENTIAL MASTER
> 1 backup servers retrieved from master AGNES
> \\AGNES
> There are 3 servers in domain MSHOME on transport
> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C27FDC27-FCDC-4D55-B7C0-1BA34C27F45D}
> There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport
> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{C27FDC27-FCDC-4D55-B7C0-1BA34C27F45D}
>
> This compare to the problem XP Pro laptop which can't be seen by the XP
> Pro host desktop :
>
>
>
> Configuration IP de Windows
>
>
>
> Nom de l'hôte . . . . . . . . . . : D7285M1J
>
> Suffixe DNS principal . . . . . . :
>
> Type de noud . . . . . . . . . . : Mixte
>
> Routage IP activé . . . . . . . . : Non
>
> Proxy WINS activé . . . . . . . . : Non
>
> Liste de recherche du suffixe DNS : mshome.net
>
>
>
> Carte Ethernet Connexion au réseau local:
>
>
>
> Suffixe DNS propre à la connexion : mshome.net
>
> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Broadcom 440x 10/100 Integrated
> Controller
>
> Adresse physique . . . . . . . . .: 00-11-43-74-56-2D
>
> DHCP activé. . . . . . . . . . . : Oui
>
> Configuration automatique activée . . . . : Oui
>
> Adresse IP. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.166
>
> Masque de sous-réseau . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
>
> Passerelle par défaut . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>
> Serveur DHCP. . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>
> Serveurs DNS . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.1
>
> Bail obtenu . . . . . . . . . . . : mardi 3 mai 2005 19:53:05
>
> Bail expirant . . . . . . . . . . : mardi 10 mai 2005 19:53:05
>
>
>
> Carte Ethernet Connexion réseau sans fil:
>
>
>
> Statut du média . . . . . . . . . : Média déconnecté
>
> Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Intel(R) PRO/Wireless 2200BG
> Network Connection
>
> Adresse physique . . . . . . . . .: 00-12-F0-42-99-C4
>
> Status for domain MSHOME on transport
> \Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{CC329325-7BE7-41A5-ACC1-221C90F81080}
> Browsing is active on domain.
> Master browser name is: AGNES
> Could not open key in registry, error = 5 Unable to determine build
> of browser master: 5
> \\\\AGNES . Version:05.01 Flags: 51203 NT POTENTIAL MASTER
> 1 backup servers retrieved from master AGNES
> \\AGNES
> Unable to retrieve server list from AGNES: 71
>
> Why can't it retrieve the server list ? Is this the key to the problem ?
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>

Chuck,

In addition to registry key "restrictanymous", there is also
restrictanymoussam which is set to "1". Is this important ?

Thanks

Peter


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