Re: Why doesn't windows allow me to disconnect from a network?

I can see by your replies that you are not reading all that I am writing. I
am sorry for drolling on. I do appreciate your willingness to help. And I
apologize for piling my frustrations on you. It's simply that these things
have been bottled up for a long time. Microsoft obviously doesn't want to
hear from it's customers. It has a "vision", and I've been stuck with no
outlet for my frustrations with this series of problems I've been having with
the software for years (I used up my 2 customer calls long ago).

So I am sorry again for droning on about the "evil" microsoft, and sorry for
making you sift through all the crap to find my current problem. Now back to
the droning.

I never had problems with the local area connection before the .NET crap got
introduced into windows. I had my DSL set into my startup and it would run
just fine. After the .NET crap came along, I was suddenly a "user" on my own
computer, not the "owner" of it. I had to "log-in", and literally fight it to
do what I wanted it to do. I guess that is why I am so bitter about it. I
became a stranger on my own computer. Back in the DOS days I was the master,
and the computer did my bidding. Now, I am lucky if the computer will allow
me to touch it, let alone ask it to do something for me.

For instance, I had completely forgotten that there is an "all users" folder
on my computer. Logically, there shouldn't be one. There has only been ONE
person to ever use this computer.

I was suprised when I went into that folder, as there were a couple of items
in there that shouldn't have been, items I had deleted on my system ages ago.
If they had been in the startup folder that is in my taskbar menu (where they
logically should have been), I would have known about them, and gotten rid of
them a long time ago. But I deleted them now, and moved my sbc connection
into there. It made no difference, my dsl connection won't startup
automatically. I still have to manually start it up. It did before, just not
anymore.

It's really curious why my DSL was compatible before and not now. And why a
big company like SBCGlobal would use software that isn't compatible with the
major (only) operating system....

As I have previous stated. It would simplify things if Icould just delete
the local area network and have windows create one from scratch. As it worked
fine the first time it did that, and only seems to have corrupted itself
after I hooked up to my buddys network, now that I am not currently hooked up
to that network, it should be able to create the LAN data fresh. But that
would be too simple eh? As it currently is, uninstalling the adapter isn't
working because windows is saving the wrong data (the data that is making my
system think it is still hooked up to my friend's network) somewhere on the
hd and including that bogus data when the adapter is re-enabled. DELETING the
data would remove the bogus info, which is why I keep harping on that as
being the best solution.

For now, I get to live with the LAN in my system tray constantly looking for
a network address (you would think that after a time it would quit, but no,
it's a never ending problem loop). A constant reminder that no matter how big
MS got, it is still clueless.

Thank you again for your help. This will be my last entry in this thread. I
am going to start a new one asking how to get rid of the stupid LAN in my
system tray. If you are tired of listening to me drone you can ignore that
thread.

Good luck to you,.

"Doug Sherman [MVP]" wrote:

> Whenever you have a network adapter installed (or an ethernet device built
> into the motherboard) and you have drivers etc. installed for it, Windows
> will create a Local Area Connection for it. The only way to delete a Local
> Area Connection is to uninstall the adapter or if it is built-in, disable it
> in BIOS.
>
> I don't think this had anything to do with the problem. What happened was
> that at your friend's house you connected to the Internet with a standard
> LAN connection. Your home connection is PPPoE - not all DSL connections use
> this - and the two connection types are not totally compatible. Probably
> you will have to re-create your DSL connection every time you first switch
> from a LAN connection, but you shouldn't have to do anything else - this is
> basically what I suggested in my last post.
>
> Having to double click on a PPPoE connection in order to initiate an
> Internet connection is fairly common. You 'may' be able to automate this by
> putting a shortcut in your startup folder, which I take it is what you did
> before. This time try putting it in the All Users startup folder - see:
>
> http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/xp_p.htm#xp_pppoe
>
> Also, if you installed a router which supports PPPoE, this would give you an
> always on connection - ie the router would maintain the PPPoE connection,
> and you would be connecting through a LAN even though there was only one
> computer on it.
>
> Doug Sherman
> MCSE, MCSA, MCP+I, MVP
>
> "GScahller" <GScahller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:A0C42552-300F-436E-9373-79A62538F113@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Heya. Welp, while you was gone I went and tried a few things. One of the
> > things I found that I had not done was to go and delete my DSL connection,
> > then disable the network card in windows, then reboot and disable the
> network
> > in bios (my network is built into my bios). I then rebooted a couple of
> times
> > (the local area connection disappeared duriing this process), then
> connected
> > the card back up in bios, and then
> > enabled it in windows (which brought the local area connection back), and
> > then did a fresh setup on my DSL connection.
> >
> > Now when I boot up, I still have to wait forever for the DSL connection I
> > moved into the startup folder to run, but I can manually click on the icon
> on
> > the desktop and it will connect right away.
> >
> > I now have the stupid local area connection icon in my system tray
> > constantly "acquiring network address", which is annoying, but as it
> doesn't
> > seem to be hurting anything I am just going to leave it alone (which is
> > COMPLETELY against my nature, as I am type that if something is wrong with
> my
> > computer I HAVE to try and find out what is wrong and fix it). I now see
> it
> > as a flashing poster for Microsoft "I am stupid, I can't work right, I am
> > stupid".
> >
> > BTW, why could I never just delete my local area connection and just start
> > over fresh? Was this just too simple a solution for MS to use? No, don't
> > bother answering that. I don't want to know.
> >
> > I do want to thank you for all your help. It's much appreciated even
> though
> > we didn't do much. At least now I don't have to sit around waiting to
> connect
> > up.
> >
> > PS. Microsoft has an amazing mentality on forcing people to do things the
> > hardest way possible. It's like this stupid Display Name below. EVERY
> single
> > time I post here I have to type in a display name. Why? When I type in
> > GSchaller it says I am using a different one then then the one I am
> > registered under. If it knows that then WTF don't it use that one instead
> of
> > forcing me to type in another one? I don't remember what my origional one
> is,
> > but at the very least they could put it in the field and if I want to use
> > another one then I could THEN type it in. Not force me to type in a new
> one
> > every single time. Typical MS I guess.
> >
> >
> > "Doug Sherman [MVP]" wrote:
> >
> > > Been out of town with NO Internet - yuck.
> > >
> > > I believe you have a PPPoE Internet connection. Try this:
> > >
> > > 1. Recreate your broadband connection by following this:
> > >
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;298800
> > >
> > > 2. If #1 doesn't help, try setting MTU to 1480 per this:
> > >
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;283165
> > >
> > > Doug Sherman
> > > MCSE, MCSA, MCP+I, MVP
> > >
> > > "GSchaller" <GSchaller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > news:A37E0B66-3C65-49A1-A33C-D8310E1E9A23@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > 1. Besides the drivers for the network adapters, no, no software is
> > > installed
> > > > to specifically connect me to my ISP.
> > > >
> > > > 2. My system must login to the DSL service each time I connect with an
> > > user
> > > > name and password. I have this automated via windows (wish I could
> figure
> > > out
> > > > a way to turn off the stupid caption ballon informing me that I am
> > > "connected
> > > > to SBC", but the only way I have found to do so also turns off the
> > > internet
> > > > connection icon in the taskbar which I do like to have there since I
> can
> > > see
> > > > if the connection is sending and receiving). Anyways....
> > > >
> > > > 3. In my network connections I have 2 major catagories. First is
> Broadband
> > > > which has "SBC", which is my dsl connection (I've copied this to my
> > > startup).
> > > > The other catagory is "LAN or High-Speed Internet" which has Local
> Area
> > > > Connection 2 in it. If I remember right, this was added when I ran the
> > > ..NET
> > > > update. I do nothing with this file. However, if I try to disable it
> my
> > > DSL
> > > > connection is shut off and I am unable to reconnect. Those are the
> only 2
> > > > items in that area.
> > > >
> > > > Am really appreciating you keeping with this :)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Doug Sherman [MVP]" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > My bad - XP Home won't have gpedit.msc.
> > > > >
> > > > > But, I now think that the problem is resulting from the new Internet
> > > > > connection created on your friend's network. The solution may be as
> > > simple
> > > > > as recreating your original DSL connection, but:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. When you initially set up your DSL connection, did you have to
> > > install
> > > > > software and do you still have it?
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. When you connect to the Internet at home do you have to logon -
> ie.
> > > > > user name and password - even if this is automated?
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. Click Start/Control Panel/Network Connections. Please describe
> the
> > > > > listed connections - you should have one called Local Area
> Connection -
> > > what
> > > > > else?
> > > > >
> > > > > Doug Sherman
> > > > > MCSE, MCSA, MCP+I, MVP
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "GSchaller" <GSchaller@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> > > > > news:81459E9E-DDFB-4AA7-B358-68885D2CA928@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > 1> a. The very first time I hooked this computer up to my friend's
> > > network
> > > > > I
> > > > > > had to setup a new internet connection. Instead of the MSHOME
> default
> > > I
> > > > > had
> > > > > > to make one with just HOME instead. I don't remember doing
> anything
> > > else.
> > > > > I
> > > > > > have tried to find the HOME network here, but can't find it
> anywhere.
> > > And
> > > > > > have even tried going through the create new network process again
> to
> > > no
> > > > > > avail.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > b. No software was installed
> > > > > >
> > > > > > c. When I am hooked to his network I can see his 3 computers
> through
> > > my
> > > > > > computer. However, his systems cannot see mine. We have not
> figured
> > > out
> > > > > why
> > > > > > (I just realized that I have file and folder sharing disabled on
> my
> > > > > system,
> > > > > > might be why). I do not see his drives listed when I am at home
> (part
> > > of
> > > > > the
> > > > > > reason I am thinking my system is trying to look for his network
> > > before
> > > > > doing
> > > > > > the DSL connection).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > d. Besides setting up the new network connection (HOME), no
> changes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > e. I use the same adapter
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. My system runs an anti-virus (which has no problem loading at
> > > boot-up).
> > > > > I
> > > > > > also regularly update and maintain the system (I have to, I am a
> > > computer
> > > > > > gamer, as such I cannot afford ANYTHING to slow my system down.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3. There is no file "gpedit.msc" on my computer. I did a complete
> > > seach
> > > > > and
> > > > > > it is nowhere to be found. I am running Window XP Home edition
> Version
> > > 5.1
> > > > > > (Build 2600.xpsp_sp2_gdr.050301-1519: Service Pack 2). Does that
> file
> > > come
> > > > > > with this configuration?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks again for your help :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Doug Sherman [MVP]" wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > OK, let's see if we can make a dent in this thing. First,
> although
> > > I
> > > > > think
> > > > > > > it is unlikely that connecting to your friend's network is the
> cause
> > > of
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > problem, we need to eliminate that possibility:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1. When you connect to your friend's network, are you required
> to
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > a. Join a domain or otherwise change the way you log onto your
> XP
> > > > > machine;
> > > > > > > and/or
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > b. Install any software for the purpose of joining the network;
> > > and/or
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > c. Do you map drives to any of your friend's computers - if
> this is
> > > the
> > > > > > > case, then eliminating those mapping may solve the problem you
> are
> > > > > currently
> > > > > > > having; and/or
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > d. Change any settings on your machine - especially on your
> local
> > > area
> > > > > > > connection or in Internet Explorer, and/or
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > e. Do you connect to your friend's network with the same
> > > adapter/port
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > you use to connect to your DSL modem? If you use a different
> > > > > port/adapter
> > > > > > > to connect to your friend's network, we should try disabling
> that
> > > > > > > connection.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2. I suspect that the answers to the above is No, and if this
> is
> > > the
> > > > > case,
> > > > > > > it is unlikely that your friend's network is the source of the
> > > problem.
> > > > > > > Nevertheless, make sure that your machine is free of viruses and
> > > > > spyware.
> > > > > > > If a second logon eliminates the delay in your Internet
> connection,
> > > then
> > > > > it
> > > > > > > is unlikely that viruses etc. are the cause of your problem, but
> it
> > > is a
> > > > > > > possibility and you may have been infected while on your
> friend's
> > > > > network.
.

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