Re: {workgroup}"...is not accessible" after removing NWLINK
- From: "E. Jerry" <EJerry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 2 Apr 2005 09:41:05 -0800
Chuck,
In answer to your question: I see "The service reported starting" when I
reboot the XP machine. I generally reboot the machine whenever I make network
changes.
Please correct me if I’m wrong. If we could isolate a source problem down
to a single machine (say…the XP machine), wouldn’t it be easier and more
manageable to troubleshoot that way? It appears to me that the source
problem is a browse service that won’t run on the XP machine using the TCP/IP
Transport. With all other machines turned off and the XP machine running by
itself, I’m finding constant info-messages in the Event Viewer | System such
as this one:
“The browser has forced an election on network
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{5B10E503-8B17-4B28-8A98-B975C0B91878} because a master
browser was stopped.”
I temporarily reinstalled NWLink to see what would happen (remember, this is
the only condition when My Network Places ever lists anything, due to the
problem I having). When I did this, when My Network Places started listing
my shares again. The clip below is what I got from “BROWSTAT STATUS” with
NWLink installed. Notice that the browser runs for both NWLink Transports,
but still never runs for the TCP/IP Transport?
“Status for domain DOMAIN2 on transport \Device\NwlnkNb
Browsing is active on domain.
Master name cannot be determined from GetAdapterStatus. Using \\JER
Master browser is running build 2600
1 backup servers retrieved from master JER
\\JER
There are 1 servers in domain DOMAIN2 on transport \Device\NwlnkNb
There are 1 domains in domain DOMAIN2 on transport \Device\NwlnkNb”
Status for domain DOMAIN2 on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{5B10E503-8B17-4B28-8A98-B975C0B91878}
Browsing is NOT active on domain.
Master name cannot be determined from GetAdapterStatus.
Status for domain DOMAIN2 on transport \Device\NwlnkIpx
Browsing is active on domain.
Master name cannot be determined from GetAdapterStatus. Using \\JER
Master browser is running build 2600
1 backup servers retrieved from master JER
\\JER
Unable to retrieve server list from JER: 1231
Sorry I did not read your request more closely. HERE IS THE CORRECT
“IPConfig / all” from the XP machine result:
Windows IP Configuration
Host Name . . . . . . . . . . . . : Jer
Primary Dns Suffix . . . . . . . :
Node Type . . . . . . . . . . . . : Unknown
IP Routing Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
WINS Proxy Enabled. . . . . . . . : No
Ethernet adapter 10 Base T:
Connection-specific DNS Suffix . :
Description . . . . . . . . . . . : Realtek RTL8139/810x Family Fast
Ethernet NIC
Physical Address. . . . . . . . . : 00-11-2F-DA-B1-DB
Dhcp Enabled. . . . . . . . . . . : No
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.7
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
IP Address. . . . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.4
Subnet Mask . . . . . . . . . . . : 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway . . . . . . . . . : 192.168.0.5
When I try to uninstall the NWLink Transports, I get a refusal, stating that
NWLink is required by SAP (Server Advertising Protocol). It seems to me I
would also need SAP for TCP/IP also, but XP gives me no choice, I must
uninstall SAP before I can uninstall NWLink.
When I’m finally able to uninstall NWLink (and SAP, of course), I’m back to
where I started when I try to list in My Network Places. I get the error
message {myworkgroupname}"...is not accessible...see...administrator ...find
out if you have access permissions...". The last line reads "The list of
servers for this workgroup is not currently available."
“BROWSTAT STATUS” simply tells me the browser is not running.
by the way, I read all of the browser description sources. Quite similar
to those I studied for my MCSE, but thanks.
Any ideas?
E. Jerry
"Chuck" wrote:
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 14:53:01 -0800, "E. Jerry"
> <EJerry@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> >Chuck,
> >
> >I greatly appreciate your prompt reply. Admin Tools | Services | "Computer
> >Browser", "Server" and "Workgroup" all reported being started. I tried
> >stopping the browser service and rebooting. The service reported starting,
> >but the problem didn't change.
> >
> >I'm sending you info on the XP machine and one 98 machine as you requested.
> >But since the problem exhibits all on the XP machine, is it hepfull to
> >examine the 98 machine at this time? Even the XP machine won't show it's own
> >shares.
> >
> >Here is the info you requested and a little extra:
>
> <SNIP>
>
> Jerry,
>
> You have at least 2 computers. You are observing your problem from one of them,
> regarding a second one. Right now, we're not certain where the problem lies.
>
> Browsing on a LAN with both computers running Windows 95/98/ME, and Windows
> NT/2K/XP, has been known for quite a while to be problematic. The first thing
> you have to do is to shut off the browser on either all of the Windows NT/2K/XP,
> or all of the Windows 95/98/ME, computers. If there's an additional problem,
> that has to be dealt with next.
> <http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/win95/w95brows.mspx>
> <http://support.microsoft.com/?id=246489>
> <http://www.compudentsystems.com/documentation/win98.html>
>
> My diagnostic procedures, which do get a bit dogmatic at times, work best when
> multiple cases can be examined. In your case, that involves the Windows XP
> computer, and one, or preferably two, of the Windows 98 computers. A complete
> IPConfig is far larger than the one you presented, too.
>
> I gotta say too, I've not yet worked with a 10 Base T LAN, so this is a first.
> And I know that the OSI layer design should make that irrelevant, but I'm
> wondering whether there are any differences between 10BT and RJ-45 Ethernet that
> might be of interest here. Is this Switched Ethernet, or is it classical Bus
> 10BT?
>
> When did you see "The service reported starting"?? If you Disabled the service,
> why did you see that at all?
>
> Looking forward to seeing some more diagnostics (lots more). And more answers.
> ;)
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck
> Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck sonic net.
>
.
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