Re: Internet Access but no Network...
From: JP (JP_at_discussions.microsoft.com)
Date: 02/20/05
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Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2005 10:09:05 -0800
"Chuck" wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 11:09:03 -0800, "JP" <JP@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
> >"Chuck" wrote:
>
> >> JP,
> >>
> >> OK, this is interesting. The master browser election is definitely part of your
> >> problem. Laptop and Office have each elected themselves master browsers. Were
> >> both powered off simultaneously (neither powered back on until the other has
> >> been powered off)?
> >>
> >> You need to have one of the computers on your LAN providing the browser service,
> >> at all times, in order for any one of the computers to be able to "see" either
> >> of the other two. The recommendation for a 3 computer LAN is to have 2 of the 3
> >> computers running the service, so in case any one of the computers goes offline
> >> for any reason, the other 2 computers will be able to "see" each other.
> >>
> >> The problem is that, if you're going to have more than one computer running the
> >> service, only one computer can be the master browser (ie the central authority
> >> figure on the LAN). From experience, we know that broswers running Windows 9x
> >> (Windows 95, 98, ME) don't work well with browsers running NT/2K/XP.
> >>
> >> In your case, I hoped that disabling the browser on Basement, and enabling it on
> >> Laptop and Office, would enable Laptop and Office to properly elect a master
> >> browser between themselves. A master browser election is a fairly intricate
> >> process.
> >> <http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winntas/deploy/prodspecs/ntbrowse.mspx>
> >>
> >> Can you get by with making Office the only browser on your LAN? Will there
> >> never be a case when Office is offline (powered off?) when you need to access
> >> files between Basement and Laptop? If so, then you can safely disable the
> >> browser service (Stop then Disable) on Laptop.
> >>
> >> If not, try powering all 3 computers off again. Power Office up first, and let
> >> it elect itself the master browser. Then power Laptop up, so it sees Office as
> >> the master browser. Finally, power Basement up, and see if this makes a
> >> difference.
>
> >Chuck:
> >
> >Your use of the word "interesting" in describing my networking issue is
> >somewhat disconcerting....
> >
> >Anyway, to the question in your first paragraph, I did indeed turn off both
> >WinXP PCs simultaneously. As for your question about making Office the only
> >browser, I suppose that's a solution. It is, however, not ideal as my
> >scanner is on Basement, and I can envision times where I will want to scan
> >and send the resulting file to Laptop without powering everything down and
> >restarting everything, including Office.
> >
> >I tried the idea in your last paragraph of powering everything down and then
> >back up sequentially. However, while Office elected itself the master
> >browser when I turned it (and only it) on, Laptop promptly elected itself
> >master browser when I turned it on five minutes later.
> >
> >What's so very odd about all of this is that until I formatted the C: drive
> >on Office, I wasn't having any of these problems: the router installation
> >last year was a snap and everything worked just fine.
> >
> >Regardless, your advice and thoughts have been most appreciated: thanks.
>
> JP,
>
> I've been advising / dealing with the peer-peer named resource inventorying
> subsystem (aka Windows browser) issue for several years, ever since I was having
> problems similar to yours, and someone in a forum long forgotten referenced the
> Microsoft whitepaper that I have myself referenced many times.
> <http://www.microsoft.com/technet/archive/winntas/deploy/prodspecs/ntbrowse.mspx>
>
> I am frequently amazed at its intricacy, and wondered why more folks, like you,
> don't report problems.
>
> There are known issues with having browsers running Windows 95/98/ME and Windows
> NT/2K/XP on the same LAN.
> http://support.microsoft.com/?id=246489
>
> This is, however, the first time I've heard of two browsers running Windows XP
> having problems (Just to make sure, Laptop and Office are both Windows XP
> right?). I'll bet the clues to the resolution are somewhere in the whitepaper.
>
> I'm not sure what your scenario WRT using Office as the only browser is based
> upon. Once all 3 computers elect Office as your browser (if Office is the only
> computer running the service), you shouldn't have to power reset anything. As
> long as Office remains powered up and online, at least. One power reset should
> be enough, at least til you add another Windows 9x computer. ;)
>
> I'd be very interested to learn why formatting C: on Office started this whole
> mess, too.
>
> Do you have (ever had) any firewalls on either computer? There are lots of ways
> misbehaving / misconfigured firewalls can cause problems. This could be one.
>
> Want to use email or IM to work on this further? I'd be glad to help on this,
> til you resolve it.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Chuck
> Paranoia comes from experience - and is not necessarily a bad thing.
> My email is AT DOT
> actual address pchuck sonic net
Chuck:
Man o' man, I'm so embarrassed to admit it, but I had forgotten to disable
those damnable firewalls on the XP desktop (Office) and the XP laptop
(Laptop).... Mea culpa maxima....
Anyway, I re-ran "browstat status" on both computers after disabling the
firewalls, powering both down, powering Office up first, and came up with a
new set of reports that are listed below for your review. They're now both
using Office as the master server, but Laptop is kicking off an error message
("error = 53") the meaning of which is unclear to me: any thoughts?
I don't have an IM account (I'm not a Luddite, but IM has yet to demonstrate
the necessary "killer app" quality to me), but I'm more than willing to take
this exchange to email if you would prefer. I have inferred your email
address from your sign-off; mine is jpbenya{remove}@comcast.net. Let me know
how you would like to proceed.
As always, many gracious thanks. Best regards.
OFFICE browstat status:
Status for domain MSHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{7AD0499E-B55F-42EE-A1CD-08EFC9F956B7}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: OFFICE
Master browser is running build 2600
1 backup servers retrieved from master OFFICE
\\OFFICE
There are 2 servers in domain MSHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{7AD0499E-B55F-42EE-A1CD-08EFC9F956B7}
There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{7AD0499E-B55F-42EE-A1CD-08EFC9F956B7}
LAPTOP browstat status:
Status for domain MSHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{86C381BC-5AA8-4EDF-95B6-71F127958FAE}
Browsing is active on domain.
Master browser name is: OFFICE
Could not connect to registry, error = 53 Unable to determine build
of browser master: 53
\\\\OFFICE . Version:05.01 Flags: 51203 NT POTENTIAL MASTER
1 backup servers retrieved from master OFFICE
\\OFFICE
There are 2 servers in domain MSHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{86C381BC-5AA8-4EDF-95B6-71F127958FAE}
There are 1 domains in domain MSHOME on transport
\Device\NetBT_Tcpip_{86C381BC-5AA8-4EDF-95B6-71F127958FAE}
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