Re: Papajohn, Responsibility and LIES !!!
From: John Kelly (not.released_at_dot.com)
Date: 01/03/05
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Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:07:05 -0000
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"Barry L. Wallis" <KRQSAOQMNTXB@spammotel.com> wrote in message
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> Just so you know, John Kelly, I too seem to be banned. As far as I know I
> have had no interaction with you and do not know any reason for it (unless
> you've banned the Cox.net subnet I am on).
>
> - Barry
>
> John Kelly wrote:
>> Hello one and all,
>>
>> It has been brought to my attention that papajohn has been spreading lies
>> in a
>> discussion group about me that I am not a member of.
>>
>> He Said...
>>
>> Hi again Weave,
>> just a followup note so you and others know enough about the situation
>> when you
>> take JK up on his free hosting offer.
>> It's not a new issue.... goes back a long time. No-one has a grudge
>> against or
>> is spatting with him.... he just chooses to blacklist some of us for
>> whatever
>> his personal reasons are.
>> His offer is great and might suit your needs and others... but be aware
>> that I
>> and others in this situation would like to view your videos but can't. If
>> you
>> get fewer comments when posting them there, you'll know why.
>>
>> To set the record straight. Because of his past actions and those of a
>> small
>> group of MVP's (I often refer to them as his bully boys) He and those
>> bully
>> boys are permanently banned from accessing my web site. Out of Decembers
>> 1,327
>> UNIQUE visitors only 6 individuals were banned, others were however added
>> to
>> the banned list during the month...this because it is probably someone
>> like
>> papajohn (I genuinly do not think he is clever enough to do it though)
>> who have
>> been using spoof IP address's. There were a lot of the in December
>>
>> The original reason paojon was banned was because I simply did not want
>> him in
>> my site this was because of his basic attitude to someone who would not
>> respond
>> the way HE wanted when he sent out one of his "back chanel" private
>> emails, but
>> more recently that position has been reinforced because it is clear he
>> has no
>> regard for those he helps....this came to stark notice when one of his
>> users
>> took advice from his website and ended up in trouble. Papajohn was placed
>> in a
>> position where he had to admit no knowledge on the procedure involved and
>> declined to help that person any further....The truth now seems to be
>> that he
>> uses his title of MVP to re-enforce a huge misconception that he is an
>> Expert
>> with regard to the use of a computer. Although there have been many
>> occasions
>> in the last year where it has been adequately demonstrated that his
>> knowledge
>> was largely lacking, none have been so stark as these recent events. He
>> uses
>> his position and web site to encourage ordinary users to purchase one of
>> his
>> books. He refers to his website as being a "personal" site, when it is
>> clearly
>> commercial. I don't know whether that description and the laws of the USA
>> have
>> any baring on this or not. It will be interesting to find out I must
>> say....tax
>> laws...decleration of income sources etc etc....
>>
>> Papajohns web site contains a huge amount of information that suggests a
>> "fix"
>> for some problem...remember that the information given is from people who
>> came
>> to find help themselves. The information is NOT provided by peoplejohn he
>> simply copies what others have said....some of the information for the
>> wrong
>> reasons provides a solution Other information their consists of opinions
>> and no
>> fact at all, to those who have a little more than a passing interest in
>> the
>> subject the advice offered is enough to make you cringe. The final
>> category of
>> information is just downright dangerous, and for the example given
>> earlier was
>> totally wrong and had the potential to cause that user the complete loss
>> of his
>> system working again until a professional charged him for the service of
>> restoring the system.
>>
>> With respect to posting material created by others...this is allowed in
>> the USA
>> (they were presured into accepting a uniform approach some years
>> back)...however....it is ONLY alowed if it is NOT FOR PROFIT.....Now as
>> all of
>> paojohns information seems to have been aquired from people like me and
>> the
>> many other good posters in here, and, as he is using that information to
>> bolster his position and as a result promote his commercial
>> enterpise...making
>> money out of YOU it would seem that he is in breech of the unifying
>> copyright
>> laws now in force in his country as well as most other countries.
>>
>> Finally, as this mvp popejohn has a financial interest rather than an
>> interest
>> in helping others to learn how to use their computer, my original reasons
>> have
>> transformed into giving him no help what so ever in increasing the size
>> of his
>> bank balance...but I can suggest a range of books that would help him out
>> with
>> things like using Outlook Express (yes seriously), using the Internet
>> (No, I am
>> not joking) and anything else remotely connected with a computer....they
>> are
>> called The Idiots Guide to.....By the way, this man claims to be a
>> database
>> expert, I seriously doubt that
>>
>> I don't know if its true....I am told that he now intends to charge for
>> his
>> newsletters. Microsoft...its time this man was GONE His continual
>> attempts to
>> direct people to HIS website where they receive inducements to BUY HIS
>> BOOKS
>> must come to an end
>>
>> In the meantime, every time he tells a lie (claims that he posts to 52
>> newsgroups) I will post a correction, every time he basically laughs at a
>> user
>> who ends up in a mess because of advice taken from his website I will
>> expose it
>> for what it is...a lack of responsibility and knowledge
>>
>> Why am I posting this message??? read his message copied above and ask
>> yourself, do you think he gave a proper account??
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