Re: Papajohn, Responsibility and LIES !!!

From: PapaJohn \(MVP\) (PapaJohn_at_CharterMI.net)
Date: 01/01/05 

Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 18:41:02 -0500

Here's the link to the discussion thread JK is referring to:

http://www.windowsmoviemakers.net/Forums/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=8832 

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"John Kelly" <not.released@dot.com> wrote in message 
news:%23WTMcNF8EHA.3828@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Hello one and all,
>
> It has been brought to my attention that papajohn has been spreading lies 
> in a
> discussion group about me that I am not a member of.
>
> He Said...
>
> Hi again Weave,
> just a followup note so you and others know enough about the situation 
> when you
> take JK up on his free hosting offer.
> It's not a new issue.... goes back a long time. No-one has a grudge 
> against or
> is spatting with him.... he just chooses to blacklist some of us for 
> whatever
> his personal reasons are.
> His offer is great and might suit your needs and others... but be aware 
> that I
> and others in this situation would like to view your videos but can't. If 
> you
> get fewer comments when posting them there, you'll know why.
>
> To set the record straight. Because of his past actions and those of a 
> small
> group of MVP's (I often refer to them as his bully boys) He and those 
> bully
> boys are permanently banned from accessing my web site. Out of Decembers 
> 1,327
> UNIQUE visitors only 6 individuals were banned, others were however added 
> to
> the banned list during the month...this because it is probably someone 
> like
> papajohn (I genuinly do not think he is clever enough to do it though) who 
> have
> been using spoof IP address's. There were a lot of the in December
>
> The original reason paojon was banned was because I simply did not want 
> him in
> my site this was because of his basic attitude to someone who would not 
> respond
> the way HE wanted when he sent out one of his "back chanel" private 
> emails, but
> more recently that position has been reinforced because it is clear he has 
> no
> regard for those he helps....this came to stark notice when one of his 
> users
> took advice from his website and ended up in trouble. Papajohn was placed 
> in a
> position where he had to admit no knowledge on the procedure involved and
> declined to help that person any further....The truth now seems to be that 
> he
> uses his title of MVP to re-enforce a huge misconception that he is an 
> Expert
> with regard to the use of a computer. Although there have been many 
> occasions
> in the last year where it has been adequately demonstrated that his 
> knowledge
> was largely lacking, none have been so stark as these recent events. He 
> uses
> his position and web site to encourage ordinary users to purchase one of 
> his
> books. He refers to his website as being a "personal" site, when it is 
> clearly
> commercial. I don't know whether that description and the laws of the USA 
> have
> any baring on this or not. It will be interesting to find out I must 
> say....tax
> laws...decleration of income sources etc etc....
>
> Papajohns web site contains a huge amount of information that suggests a 
> "fix"
> for some problem...remember that the information given is from people who 
> came
> to find help themselves. The information is NOT provided by peoplejohn he
> simply copies what others have said....some of the information for the 
> wrong
> reasons provides a solution Other information their consists of opinions 
> and no
> fact at all, to those who have a little more than a passing interest in 
> the
> subject the advice offered is enough to make you cringe. The final 
> category of
> information is just downright dangerous, and for the example given earlier 
> was
> totally wrong and had the potential to cause that user the complete loss 
> of his
> system working again until a professional charged him for the service of
> restoring the system.
>
> With respect to posting material created by others...this is allowed in 
> the USA
> (they were presured into accepting a uniform approach some years
> back)...however....it is ONLY alowed if it is NOT FOR PROFIT.....Now as 
> all of
> paojohns information seems to have been aquired from people like me and 
> the
> many other good posters in here, and, as he is using that information to
> bolster his position and as a result promote his commercial 
> enterpise...making
> money out of YOU it would seem that he is in breech of the unifying 
> copyright
> laws now in force in his country as well as most other countries.
>
> Finally, as this mvp popejohn has a financial interest rather than an 
> interest
> in helping others to learn how to use their computer, my original reasons 
> have
> transformed into giving him no help what so ever in increasing the size of 
> his
> bank balance...but I can suggest a range of books that would help him out 
> with
> things like using Outlook Express (yes seriously), using the Internet (No, 
> I am
> not joking) and anything else remotely connected with a computer....they 
> are
> called The Idiots Guide to.....By the way, this man claims to be a 
> database
> expert, I seriously doubt that
>
> I don't know if its true....I am told that he now intends to charge for 
> his
> newsletters. Microsoft...its time this man was GONE His continual attempts 
> to
> direct people to HIS website where they receive inducements to BUY HIS 
> BOOKS
> must come to an end
>
> In the meantime, every time he tells a lie (claims that he posts to 52
> newsgroups) I will post a correction, every time he basically laughs at a 
> user
> who ends up in a mess because of advice taken from his website I will 
> expose it
> for what it is...a lack of responsibility and knowledge
>
> Why am I posting this message??? read his message copied above and ask
> yourself, do you think he gave a proper account??
> -- 
> Best Wishes.....John Kelly
> www.the-kellys.org
> www.the-kellys.co.uk
> Check out free video hosting at www.the-kellys.org
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