Re: WMM conflicts with MC 2004

From: Kristen Miller [MS] (kristenw_at_online.microsoft.com)
Date: 12/03/04 

Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2004 15:01:28 -0800

Well - The bad news is that you are quickly moving beyond my realm of
expertise....

I can tell you the following:
   1. The fact that you can reproduce the problem in Graphedit means that
the root cause of the bug isn't in Movie Maker code. Any Direct Show-based
application (Movie Maker and some Roxio products included) are probably
going to experience the bug you are hitting. (I don't want to imply that
Movie Maker has no responsibility here! When things go wrong, Movie Maker
should handle them gracefully, and that's obviously not the case here.)
  2. The bug may not have anything to do with your MCE software, either.
>From chatting with the MCE guys, when you hit that green arrow button on
your remote, you are launching the MCE user interface, which steals back all
the render surfaces (including the one that's currently full screen). It's a
clever way to get out of the bug, but it probably isn't related to the
reproducibility of the bug.
 3. The problem does not appear to be the work of some sneaky third-party
DShow filter. From your description of the graph you built, it sounds like
all the normal components are present, and nothing additional is being
pulled into the graph.

At this stage, I'd start looking at your video graphic's card software and
drivers. Someone here suggested that you might have a "home theatre" mode
that's overly ambitious :)

 If you can send me a dxdiag of you your system, I'll add it to the issue
for tracking, and try to use it to set up a repro in-house.

Hope this helps!
-Kristen Miller [MS]
This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no rights.

"Frank" <Frank@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:8718652F-DC7D-4C4E-99C6-EAD76BB9BACB@microsoft.com...
> Hi, again
> Using Roxio DVD builder application, when I preview the same kind of video
> transitions as below, the computer jumps to full screen mode and plays the
> video, BUT, pressing the ESC key takes me back to the desktop. In WMM, I
> get
> the problem described below, ie jumps to full screen and must use the
> Remote
> to switch to Media Center, then Exit to get back to the desktop.
>
> Also, I just installed Adobe Premier Elements and I do not have this
> problem
> with that program in that I can preview the video clips in its preview
> window
> and it stays there within the Adobe program and doesn't switch to full
> screen
> mode.
>
> Ergo: There is a Major bug between WMM and MC 2004. How do I get
> Microsoft's
> attention on this problem, anybody know?
> Frank,
>
> "Frank" wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I have tried your suggestion, but still get the same problem. I also
>> can't
>> find your sample screen shot attachment, maybe I don't know how to find
>> it in
>> this newsreader screens.
>> Maybe you or others reading this can explain how I can insert or attach
>> bmp
>> screen shots or a saved Graphedt grf file in this newsreader program?
>>
>> Here are the word descriptions of what happens:
>> I dragged a Movie Maker collection countdown_blue.wmv video file into
>> graphedt.exe, it did automatically make a graph, as series of three boxes
>> connected by right headed arrows. The names in each box are: raw video 0,
>> Countdown_Blue. wmv: in0.....out0, WMVideo Decoder DMO; and the last
>> "box"
>> has VMR Input0 Video Renderer. I can't access the "properties for these.
>>
>> When I click the play button in graphedt, the monitor immediately jumps
>> to
>> full screen mode, plays the countdown and then stops. I have no other way
>> to
>> get back to the desktop except for pressing the Green button on the MC
>> Remote
>> to open Media Center, then exit with the Remote back to the desktop.
>> There, I
>> find the graphedt program window again with the "graph" info in its gray
>> window, plus a smaller "Active Movie Window" that is blank with no video
>> info
>> in it. This Active Movie Window appears to be the viewing window that is
>> a
>> part of Movie Maker.
>>
>> I wish I knew how to insert the screen shots I made of graphedt or even a
>> saved graphedt file, or how to send it to you in another manner, but
>> can't
>> see any method of doing that using MSIE/Newsgroup reader.
>>
>> Hope this is enlightening somehow, and thanks,
>>
>> "Kristen Miller [MS]" wrote:
>>
>> > Bizzare...
>> >
>> > Frank -
>> > You are probably are still looking at a codec/filter problem, even if
>> > it's
>> > not showing up in the Compatibility tab. It sounds like something is
>> > being
>> > pulled into the graph that won't connect to the Video Render, and is
>> > trying
>> > to default back to the old video renderer.
>> >
>> > Here's what you can try to do to debug:
>> > 1. Grab a copy of Graphedit. You can download it from:
>> > http://www.digital-digest.com/dvd/downloads/graphedit.html (Just grab
>> > Graphedt.exe from the zip file! You don't need the rest of the
>> > filters, and
>> > they might just complicate any issue you are experiencing.)
>> > 2. Launch Graphedt.exe on the machine experiencing the problem. Find
>> > one of
>> > your video files that causes the bug, and drag it into the large gray
>> > area.
>> > When you drop the file in, Graphedt should "automagically" buld the
>> > rest of
>> > the playback graph. Push "Play" on the toolbar (the little green
>> > arrow), and
>> > watch some of your file playback. Hopefully, this will exhibit the same
>> > problem you are seeing in MM.
>> > 3. Take a screen shot of the graph, and post it back to the group.
>> >
>> > I've attached a sample screen shot to show you what we're looking for.
>> > I
>> > expect the filters in your graph to be somewhat different from the
>> > one's I'm
>> > showing, and hopefully that will point us to the problem.
>> >
>> > Hope this helps!
>> > -Kristen Miller [MS]
>> > This posting is provided "AS IS" with no warranties, and confers no
>> > rights.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > "Frank" <Frank@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> > news:558D3373-2DEC-46AB-9BE9-F9960D9F70CD@microsoft.com...
>> > > Hi, Sorry about my delay in replying, holiday stuff.
>> > > The files can be either an imported avi or wmv. It is not dvr-ms
>> > > types
>> > > that
>> > > I have recorded with media center (so far all I have figured out what
>> > > to
>> > > do
>> > > with those is use the Sonic Primetime that came with the Gateway/MC
>> > > 2004,
>> > > and
>> > > it only lets you burn, not edit).
>> > > This "bug" also happens if I merely import an animated Transitions,
>> > > Video
>> > > Titles and End Credits, file for example and attempt to "play" it.
>> > > Once I
>> > > am
>> > > in the full screen mode, only way out is I click the Green button on
>> > > the
>> > > MC
>> > > Remote and jump into the Media Center interface, then exit. That puts
>> > > me
>> > > back
>> > > to the Movie Maker program. If I try to run the Transition, Title
>> > > etc.
>> > > again,
>> > > it does the same process.
>> > >
>> > > If I capture video from the digital video cam and get the clip(s) in
>> > > Movie
>> > > Maker, those react the same way, that is, I get an immediate full
>> > > screen
>> > > mode
>> > > when trying to preview the clip or a completed movie (before
>> > > exporting to
>> > > media file type).
>> > >
>> > > Hope that helps....,
>> > >
>> > > "Graham Hughes" wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> What sort of file is it that you are taking into Movie maker? Is it
>> > >> an
>> > >> avi,
>> > >> wmv or one of the dvr-ms files that the media centre creates when
>> > >> recording
>> > >> live from tv?
>> > >> Sorry for delay.
>> > >>
>> > >> Graham
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Graham Hughes
>> > >> MVP Digital Media
>> > >> www.dvds2treasure.com
>> > >> www.simplydv.com
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> "Graham Hughes" <graham@simplydv.co.uk> wrote in message
>> > >> news:OZo9wKjxEHA.2996@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
>> > >> > I was at M/S UK last week and met a guy who works on MCE, so I'll
>> > >> > email
>> > >> this
>> > >> > on to him and see what response we get, stay tuned :)
>> > >> >
>> > >> > --
>> > >> > Graham Hughes
>> > >> > MVP Digital Media
>> > >> > www.dvds2treasure.com
>> > >> > www.simplydv.com
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > "Frank" <Frank@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> > >> > news:93321770-6BF9-492B-AE92-4EF4BBFF1E20@microsoft.com...
>> > >> > > Hi, I did try that, in particular, turning off the Media Center
>> > >> > > codecs,
>> > >> in
>> > >> > > fact, I removed checkmarks for all of them, but that did not
>> > >> > > help.
>> > >> > > I was able to use Roxio Easy CD and DVD creator to accomplish
>> > >> > > the
>> > >> > > task,
>> > >> > but
>> > >> > > wanted to use WMM. I think this is a bug with WMM and Media
>> > >> > > Center
>> > >> > > 2004.
>> > >> > > Unfortunately, MS won't sell me Media Center 2005 and Gateway
>> > >> > > pleads
>> > >> > > ignorance of upgrades for that version, so far.
>> > >> > > Any other ideas?
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > "Graham Hughes" wrote:
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > > Look at the codecs and turn any that might be interfering off,
>> > >> > > > it's
>> > >> > > > on
>> > >> a
>> > >> > new
>> > >> > > > tab in the options window.
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > --
>> > >> > > > Graham Hughes
>> > >> > > > MVP Digital Media
>> > >> > > > www.dvds2treasure.com
>> > >> > > > www.simplydv.com
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > "Frank" <Frank@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> > >> > > > news:D1BC3C3B-B566-430E-982E-103E4A2150ED@microsoft.com...
>> > >> > > > > I want to use WMM to edit and create a movie. I use a Media
>> > >> > > > > Center
>> > >> > 2004 PC
>> > >> > > > > from Gateway (901X).
>> > >> > > > > Problem: When I open WMM and load a video file (or clip) and
>> > >> > > > > then
>> > >> try
>> > >> > to
>> > >> > > > > preview the video clip in the preview window, also when the
>> > >> > > > > video
>> > >> clip
>> > >> > is
>> > >> > > > > placed on the timeline or storyboard, the computer jumps
>> > >> > > > > immediately
>> > >> > to a
>> > >> > > > > full screen mode, as if I am viewing a DVD movie file using
>> > >> > > > > Media
>> > >> > Center,
>> > >> > > > and
>> > >> > > > > I can't back out or stop that process.
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > > So, I lose all control buttons etc., and can't really edit
>> > >> > > > > the
>> > >> video.
>> > >> > It
>> > >> > > > > does this every time I start WMM. I'm using the latest
>> > >> > > > > version.
>> > >> > > > >
>> > >> > > > > How can I fix this?
>> > >> > > > > Thanks
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