Re: Saving Movie Maker Projects

From: Bob [MVP] (bob_at_nospam.org)
Date: 06/24/04 

Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:51:09 -0400

Hi PapaJohn,

It is true that MM2 does not further compress the
video when it is captured from a DV camcorder. The
compression is done by the camera as it records to
the tape in DV format.

But you were not talking about capturing from a DV
camcorder - you were talking about saving a movie
using the Microsoft DV codec. So even though you
know and I know what you mean, your statement that
you'll get a file that's "not a compressed file",
was simply not accurate, and probably misleading to
those users with little video knowledge.

As far as wording for your web site, you could
just say that DV video is compressed using an
encoding method that produces high-quality video,
but very large file sizes (or something to that
effect). :-) 

-- 
-Bob
____________________________
Microsoft MVP
Windows XP Media Center Edition
www.microsoft.com/ehome
"PapaJohn" <PapaJohn@CharterMi.net> wrote in message news:10djl36p4v19ua5@corp.supernews.com...
> Hi Bob,
> 
> I don't disagree about the compression of a digital video file when it's
> first put onto a digital camcorder tape. But my understanding is that a
> DV-AVI file on the computer is the same as that on the tape. From a
> practical way of talking about it, especially when comparing it to something
> such as a Divx compressed file, I tend to call it uncompressed.
> 
> Here's part of a paragraph from my Saving Movies > Intro page. I'd
> appreciate any suggestions for a better way to word it:
> 
> "DV-AVI files are type 1 (versus type 2), not compressed and are equivalent
> to the digital video that comes from a digital camcorder or goes back to it.
> DV-AVI files are higher quality than WMV files; however, their large file
> sizes often make them impractical when saving, storing and distributing
> movies."
> -- 
> PapaJohn
> Movie Maker 2: www.papajohn.org
> PhotoStory 2: www.photostory.papajohn.org
> .
> .
> "Bob [MVP]" <bob@nospam.org> wrote in message
> news:uNLvwMVWEHA.2520@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > Oops... sorry about the typo...  :-O
> >
> > I meant to say that the bit rate for DV video
> > is ~25 Mb/sec (not 2.5 MB/sec).
> >
> > -- 
> > -Bob
> > ____________________________
> > Microsoft MVP
> > Windows XP Media Center Edition
> > www.microsoft.com/ehome
> >
> >
> > "Bob [MVP]" <bob@nospam.org> wrote in message
> news:Oj5VXKVWEHA.3024@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > FYI, DV-AVI most certainly IS compressed.
> > >
> > > The bit rate for uncompressed NTSC video is ~248 Mb/sec.
> > > The bit rate for DV video is ~2.5 Mb/sec.
> > >
> > > The DV video is compressed at a ratio of approximately
> > > 10 to 1, and the audio is not compressed.  So the overall
> > > compression ratio of DV-AVI is approximately 8.6 to 1.
> > >
> > > -- 
> > > -Bob
> > > ____________________________
> > > Microsoft MVP
> > > Windows XP Media Center Edition
> > > www.microsoft.com/ehome
> > >
> > >
> > > "PapaJohn (MVP)" <PapaJohn@CharterMI.net> wrote in message
> news:10djglqnen1mrfb@corp.supernews.com...
> > > > Yes, choose DV-AVI under 'Other Settings'.... that'll get you a file
> using
> > > > Microsoft's DV codec, not a compressed file..
> > > >
> > > > See the Setup > Software page of my website... the last paragraph in
> the
> > > > Utilities section are pointers/links to some choices to convert the
> type I
> > > > file to type II.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, you can compress with Virtual Dub and Divx before using MM2, but
> Divx
> > > > encoded files often give MM2 problems during importing and editing, so
> it
> > > > might not be a good idea. You can test it to see how well MM2 works
> with the
> > > > Divx codec on your computer.
> > > >
> > > > The custom profiles don't let you use a Divx codec as a choice in the
> > > > Profile Editor.
> > > >
> > > > Divx files are highly compressed, so you should do your MM2 work
> before
> > > > going to that level of compression if you can.
> > > > -- 
> > > > PapaJohn
> > > >
> > > > Movie Maker 2 - www.papajohn.org
> > > > Photo Story 2 - www.photostory.papajohn.org
> > > >
> > > > .
> > > > <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:2091d01c45947$be731660$a401280a@phx.gbl...
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > > Do I select "DV-AVI" under "Other Settings" when I am
> > > > > choosing how to save it to my computer?  Does that keep it
> > > > > from compressing the file?
> > > > >
> > > > > How do I convert from Type I to Type II?
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, I can just compress using Virtual Dub and Divx
> > > > > BEFORE using MM2, can't it?
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, I found an article that talks about creating
> > > > > a "Custom Profile" for movie saving settings
> > > > > using "Windows Media Profile Editor".  Any advice on how
> > > > > to do this if I want to compress using Divx or I have
> > > > > previously compressed using Divx and don't want MM2 to
> > > > > compress the movie at all when saving?
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks again.  I have really been flummoxed by all this.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > >Save it as a DV-AVI file in MM2... it'll be type I and
> > > > > Virtual Dub needs
> > > > > >type II, so do a conversion to type II first. Then use
> > > > > Virtual Dub with your
> > > > > >Divx compressor.
> > > > > >-- 
> > > > > >PapaJohn
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Movie Maker 2 - www.papajohn.org
> > > > > >Photo Story 2 - www.photostory.papajohn.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > >..
> > > > > >"fkemper" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> > > > > message
> > > > > >news:208c401c45944$10bdaa10$a401280a@phx.gbl...
> > > > > >> Can anyone help me using MovieMaker2 to compress a file
> > > > > >> while saving it using DivX?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Or else avoid MM2 from compressing the file when saving
> > > > > a
> > > > > >> movie, so I can compress it later or earlier using
> > > > > Virtual
> > > > > >> Dub and Divx?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Thanks!
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> >-----Original Message-----
> > > > > >> >Thanks for the feedback.... and I fully support all you
> > > > > >> say.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >Dividing a project up is one of those things that seems
> > > > > >> too hard, until you
> > > > > >> >jump into it. Then it goes pretty easily. The more
> > > > > >> modular you make the
> > > > > >> >projects/sub-projects, the easier it is for your
> > > > > computer
> > > > > >> to handle all the
> > > > > >> >parts, and the easier for you to work on them.
> > > > > >> >-- 
> > > > > >> >PapaJohn
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >Movie Maker 2 - www.papajohn.org
> > > > > >> >Photo Story 2 - www.photostory.papajohn.org
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >..
> > > > > >> >"leeleeah" <ahadden@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > > >> >news:38C45808-6081-4BB9-9FC3-
> > > > > BD76DFAF7312@microsoft.com...
> > > > > >> >> I have FINALLY figured out how to save in mm2. Thanks
> > > > > >> papa john for your
> > > > > >> >help on your web site.....it seemed a little confusing
> > > > > at
> > > > > >> first but once I
> > > > > >> >started splitting up my project it worked like a charm.
> > > > > >> My project was 224
> > > > > >> >mb long....I found that when I split it into two pieces
> > > > > >> it did not
> > > > > >> >work....so I went back and split it into five pieces
> > > > > then
> > > > > >> the saving process
> > > > > >> >was only 9 minutes long for each piece....However I did
> > > > > >> not cut and paste or
> > > > > >> >delete any of my project. I made my project (224 mb
> > > > > long)
> > > > > >> and made a back up
> > > > > >> >copy...... then went in to my original project and
> > > > > copied
> > > > > >> each segment and
> > > > > >> >opened it to a new project....saving each project
> > > > > >> as "high quality video" as
> > > > > >> >I went along.....then after I had each segment
> > > > > saved...I
> > > > > >> opened yet a new
> > > > > >> >project and imported all saved pieces back into my
> > > > > >> project and pieced
> > > > > >> >everything back together (which was not hard since it
> > > > > was
> > > > > >> only a few
> > > > > >> >pieces). So, saving to my computer as dv-avi took only
> > > > > a
> > > > > >> few minutes then I
> > > > > >> >burned to disc. If everyone would read your website on
> > > > > >> saving mm2 projects
> > > > > >> >they would come to a better understanding of how mm2
> > > > > >> works in general when
> > > > > >> >trying to save a project. I've been reading the xp
> > > > > >> newsgroup messages quite
> > > > > >> >frequently while putting my project together and it
> > > > > seems
> > > > > >> everyone had the
> > > > > >> >same issues as me such as: hanging, generic error
> > > > > >> messages, source files and
> > > > > >> >so on.....Also I called tech support and boosted my
> > > > > >> virtual memory to
> > > > > >> >Initial 1024 and Maximum 1024....I never got another
> > > > > >> virtual memory message
> > > > > >> >after that.......since I was saving pieces of the
> > > > > project
> > > > > >> and not the entire
> > > > > >> >project all together. Hope this helps some of you with
> > > > > >> all these issues on
> > > > > >> >saving....If you will do it this way your project will
> > > > > >> not hang and you
> > > > > >> >won't get all those error messages......Thanks again
> > > > > papa
> > > > > >> john!!!!
> > > > > >> >> -- 
> > > > > >> >> remember....."patience is a virtue"
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >> >.
> > > > > >> >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >.
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> 
>

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