Re: Saving Movie Maker Projects

anonymous_at_discussions.microsoft.com
Date: 06/23/04 

Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:57:13 -0700

By the way, you guys are great!

Thanks!

I am starting with HUGE (GB per minute) movie files
captured directly from a computer screen during a MMPORG
computer game using FRAPS2.2. DivX can compress it to
almost 1/30th of the original size and still look
fantastic.

(Good news is I'm only trying to make 2 - 10 minute
movies.)

I'll try using both (i) a DivX compressed file and running
it through MM2 and see how it looks after saving in DV-AVI
and (ii) running the uncompressed files through MM2 and
then compressing later with Virtual Dub and Divx (after
converting Type I to Type II). I have had no problem
manipulating the DivX compressed files in MM2. My problem
has been the dramatic drop in picture quality after saving
the movie using MM2 (with almost no corresponding decrease
in file size.) Of course, God only knows what I was
saving it in. :-)

Would you recommend any Custom Profile as being better
than DV-AVI?

Thanks again!

>-----Original Message-----
>Hi Bob,
>
>I don't disagree about the compression of a digital video
file when it's
>first put onto a digital camcorder tape. But my
understanding is that a
>DV-AVI file on the computer is the same as that on the
tape. From a
>practical way of talking about it, especially when
comparing it to something
>such as a Divx compressed file, I tend to call it
uncompressed.
>
>Here's part of a paragraph from my Saving Movies > Intro
page. I'd
>appreciate any suggestions for a better way to word it:
>
>"DV-AVI files are type 1 (versus type 2), not compressed
and are equivalent
>to the digital video that comes from a digital camcorder
or goes back to it.
>DV-AVI files are higher quality than WMV files; however,
their large file
>sizes often make them impractical when saving, storing
and distributing
>movies."
>--
>PapaJohn
>Movie Maker 2: www.papajohn.org
>PhotoStory 2: www.photostory.papajohn.org
>..
>..
>"Bob [MVP]" <bob@nospam.org> wrote in message
>news:uNLvwMVWEHA.2520@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
>> Oops... sorry about the typo... :-O
>>
>> I meant to say that the bit rate for DV video
>> is ~25 Mb/sec (not 2.5 MB/sec).
>>
>> --
>> -Bob
>> ____________________________
>> Microsoft MVP
>> Windows XP Media Center Edition
>> www.microsoft.com/ehome
>>
>>
>> "Bob [MVP]" <bob@nospam.org> wrote in message
>news:Oj5VXKVWEHA.3024@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
>> > FYI, DV-AVI most certainly IS compressed.
>> >
>> > The bit rate for uncompressed NTSC video is ~248
Mb/sec.
>> > The bit rate for DV video is ~2.5 Mb/sec.
>> >
>> > The DV video is compressed at a ratio of approximately
>> > 10 to 1, and the audio is not compressed. So the
overall
>> > compression ratio of DV-AVI is approximately 8.6 to 1.
>> >
>> > --
>> > -Bob
>> > ____________________________
>> > Microsoft MVP
>> > Windows XP Media Center Edition
>> > www.microsoft.com/ehome
>> >
>> >
>> > "PapaJohn (MVP)" <PapaJohn@CharterMI.net> wrote in
message
>news:10djglqnen1mrfb@corp.supernews.com...
>> > > Yes, choose DV-AVI under 'Other Settings'....
that'll get you a file
>using
>> > > Microsoft's DV codec, not a compressed file..
>> > >
>> > > See the Setup > Software page of my website... the
last paragraph in
>the
>> > > Utilities section are pointers/links to some
choices to convert the
>type I
>> > > file to type II.
>> > >
>> > > Yes, you can compress with Virtual Dub and Divx
before using MM2, but
>Divx
>> > > encoded files often give MM2 problems during
importing and editing, so
>it
>> > > might not be a good idea. You can test it to see
how well MM2 works
>with the
>> > > Divx codec on your computer.
>> > >
>> > > The custom profiles don't let you use a Divx codec
as a choice in the
>> > > Profile Editor.
>> > >
>> > > Divx files are highly compressed, so you should do
your MM2 work
>before
>> > > going to that level of compression if you can.
>> > > --
>> > > PapaJohn
>> > >
>> > > Movie Maker 2 - www.papajohn.org
>> > > Photo Story 2 - www.photostory.papajohn.org
>> > >
>> > > .
>> > > <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
message
>> > > news:2091d01c45947$be731660$a401280a@phx.gbl...
>> > > > Thanks!
>> > > >
>> > > > Do I select "DV-AVI" under "Other Settings" when
I am
>> > > > choosing how to save it to my computer? Does
that keep it
>> > > > from compressing the file?
>> > > >
>> > > > How do I convert from Type I to Type II?
>> > > >
>> > > > Also, I can just compress using Virtual Dub and
Divx
>> > > > BEFORE using MM2, can't it?
>> > > >
>> > > > Also, I found an article that talks about creating
>> > > > a "Custom Profile" for movie saving settings
>> > > > using "Windows Media Profile Editor". Any advice
on how
>> > > > to do this if I want to compress using Divx or I
have
>> > > > previously compressed using Divx and don't want
MM2 to
>> > > > compress the movie at all when saving?
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks again. I have really been flummoxed by
all this.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > >-----Original Message-----
>> > > > >Save it as a DV-AVI file in MM2... it'll be type
I and
>> > > > Virtual Dub needs
>> > > > >type II, so do a conversion to type II first.
Then use
>> > > > Virtual Dub with your
>> > > > >Divx compressor.
>> > > > >--
>> > > > >PapaJohn
>> > > > >
>> > > > >Movie Maker 2 - www.papajohn.org
>> > > > >Photo Story 2 - www.photostory.papajohn.org
>> > > > >
>> > > > >..
>> > > > >"fkemper" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com>
wrote in
>> > > > message
>> > > > >news:208c401c45944$10bdaa10$a401280a@phx.gbl...
>> > > > >> Can anyone help me using MovieMaker2 to
compress a file
>> > > > >> while saving it using DivX?
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Or else avoid MM2 from compressing the file
when saving
>> > > > a
>> > > > >> movie, so I can compress it later or earlier
using
>> > > > Virtual
>> > > > >> Dub and Divx?
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> Thanks!
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> >-----Original Message-----
>> > > > >> >Thanks for the feedback.... and I fully
support all you
>> > > > >> say.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> >Dividing a project up is one of those things
that seems
>> > > > >> too hard, until you
>> > > > >> >jump into it. Then it goes pretty easily. The
more
>> > > > >> modular you make the
>> > > > >> >projects/sub-projects, the easier it is for
your
>> > > > computer
>> > > > >> to handle all the
>> > > > >> >parts, and the easier for you to work on them.
>> > > > >> >--
>> > > > >> >PapaJohn
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> >Movie Maker 2 - www.papajohn.org
>> > > > >> >Photo Story 2 - www.photostory.papajohn.org
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> >..
>> > > > >> >"leeleeah" <ahadden@carolina.rr.com> wrote in
message
>> > > > >> >news:38C45808-6081-4BB9-9FC3-
>> > > > BD76DFAF7312@microsoft.com...
>> > > > >> >> I have FINALLY figured out how to save in
mm2. Thanks
>> > > > >> papa john for your
>> > > > >> >help on your web site.....it seemed a little
confusing
>> > > > at
>> > > > >> first but once I
>> > > > >> >started splitting up my project it worked
like a charm.
>> > > > >> My project was 224
>> > > > >> >mb long....I found that when I split it into
two pieces
>> > > > >> it did not
>> > > > >> >work....so I went back and split it into five
pieces
>> > > > then
>> > > > >> the saving process
>> > > > >> >was only 9 minutes long for each
piece....However I did
>> > > > >> not cut and paste or
>> > > > >> >delete any of my project. I made my project
(224 mb
>> > > > long)
>> > > > >> and made a back up
>> > > > >> >copy...... then went in to my original
project and
>> > > > copied
>> > > > >> each segment and
>> > > > >> >opened it to a new project....saving each
project
>> > > > >> as "high quality video" as
>> > > > >> >I went along.....then after I had each segment
>> > > > saved...I
>> > > > >> opened yet a new
>> > > > >> >project and imported all saved pieces back
into my
>> > > > >> project and pieced
>> > > > >> >everything back together (which was not hard
since it
>> > > > was
>> > > > >> only a few
>> > > > >> >pieces). So, saving to my computer as dv-avi
took only
>> > > > a
>> > > > >> few minutes then I
>> > > > >> >burned to disc. If everyone would read your
website on
>> > > > >> saving mm2 projects
>> > > > >> >they would come to a better understanding of
how mm2
>> > > > >> works in general when
>> > > > >> >trying to save a project. I've been reading
the xp
>> > > > >> newsgroup messages quite
>> > > > >> >frequently while putting my project together
and it
>> > > > seems
>> > > > >> everyone had the
>> > > > >> >same issues as me such as: hanging, generic
error
>> > > > >> messages, source files and
>> > > > >> >so on.....Also I called tech support and
boosted my
>> > > > >> virtual memory to
>> > > > >> >Initial 1024 and Maximum 1024....I never got
another
>> > > > >> virtual memory message
>> > > > >> >after that.......since I was saving pieces of
the
>> > > > project
>> > > > >> and not the entire
>> > > > >> >project all together. Hope this helps some of
you with
>> > > > >> all these issues on
>> > > > >> >saving....If you will do it this way your
project will
>> > > > >> not hang and you
>> > > > >> >won't get all those error
messages......Thanks again
>> > > > papa
>> > > > >> john!!!!
>> > > > >> >> --
>> > > > >> >> remember....."patience is a virtue"
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> >.
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > >.
>> > > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>
>
>.
>

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