Re: Saving Movie Maker Projects

From: PapaJohn (PapaJohn_at_CharterMi.net)
Date: 06/23/04 

Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:05:07 -0400

Hi Bob,

I don't disagree about the compression of a digital video file when it's
first put onto a digital camcorder tape. But my understanding is that a
DV-AVI file on the computer is the same as that on the tape. From a
practical way of talking about it, especially when comparing it to something
such as a Divx compressed file, I tend to call it uncompressed.

Here's part of a paragraph from my Saving Movies > Intro page. I'd
appreciate any suggestions for a better way to word it:

"DV-AVI files are type 1 (versus type 2), not compressed and are equivalent
to the digital video that comes from a digital camcorder or goes back to it.
DV-AVI files are higher quality than WMV files; however, their large file
sizes often make them impractical when saving, storing and distributing
movies." 

-- 
PapaJohn
Movie Maker 2: www.papajohn.org
PhotoStory 2: www.photostory.papajohn.org
.
.
"Bob [MVP]" <bob@nospam.org> wrote in message
news:uNLvwMVWEHA.2520@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> Oops... sorry about the typo...  :-O
>
> I meant to say that the bit rate for DV video
> is ~25 Mb/sec (not 2.5 MB/sec).
>
> -- 
> -Bob
> ____________________________
> Microsoft MVP
> Windows XP Media Center Edition
> www.microsoft.com/ehome
>
>
> "Bob [MVP]" <bob@nospam.org> wrote in message
news:Oj5VXKVWEHA.3024@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > FYI, DV-AVI most certainly IS compressed.
> >
> > The bit rate for uncompressed NTSC video is ~248 Mb/sec.
> > The bit rate for DV video is ~2.5 Mb/sec.
> >
> > The DV video is compressed at a ratio of approximately
> > 10 to 1, and the audio is not compressed.  So the overall
> > compression ratio of DV-AVI is approximately 8.6 to 1.
> >
> > -- 
> > -Bob
> > ____________________________
> > Microsoft MVP
> > Windows XP Media Center Edition
> > www.microsoft.com/ehome
> >
> >
> > "PapaJohn (MVP)" <PapaJohn@CharterMI.net> wrote in message
news:10djglqnen1mrfb@corp.supernews.com...
> > > Yes, choose DV-AVI under 'Other Settings'.... that'll get you a file
using
> > > Microsoft's DV codec, not a compressed file..
> > >
> > > See the Setup > Software page of my website... the last paragraph in
the
> > > Utilities section are pointers/links to some choices to convert the
type I
> > > file to type II.
> > >
> > > Yes, you can compress with Virtual Dub and Divx before using MM2, but
Divx
> > > encoded files often give MM2 problems during importing and editing, so
it
> > > might not be a good idea. You can test it to see how well MM2 works
with the
> > > Divx codec on your computer.
> > >
> > > The custom profiles don't let you use a Divx codec as a choice in the
> > > Profile Editor.
> > >
> > > Divx files are highly compressed, so you should do your MM2 work
before
> > > going to that level of compression if you can.
> > > -- 
> > > PapaJohn
> > >
> > > Movie Maker 2 - www.papajohn.org
> > > Photo Story 2 - www.photostory.papajohn.org
> > >
> > > .
> > > <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
> > > news:2091d01c45947$be731660$a401280a@phx.gbl...
> > > > Thanks!
> > > >
> > > > Do I select "DV-AVI" under "Other Settings" when I am
> > > > choosing how to save it to my computer?  Does that keep it
> > > > from compressing the file?
> > > >
> > > > How do I convert from Type I to Type II?
> > > >
> > > > Also, I can just compress using Virtual Dub and Divx
> > > > BEFORE using MM2, can't it?
> > > >
> > > > Also, I found an article that talks about creating
> > > > a "Custom Profile" for movie saving settings
> > > > using "Windows Media Profile Editor".  Any advice on how
> > > > to do this if I want to compress using Divx or I have
> > > > previously compressed using Divx and don't want MM2 to
> > > > compress the movie at all when saving?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks again.  I have really been flummoxed by all this.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >Save it as a DV-AVI file in MM2... it'll be type I and
> > > > Virtual Dub needs
> > > > >type II, so do a conversion to type II first. Then use
> > > > Virtual Dub with your
> > > > >Divx compressor.
> > > > >-- 
> > > > >PapaJohn
> > > > >
> > > > >Movie Maker 2 - www.papajohn.org
> > > > >Photo Story 2 - www.photostory.papajohn.org
> > > > >
> > > > >..
> > > > >"fkemper" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in
> > > > message
> > > > >news:208c401c45944$10bdaa10$a401280a@phx.gbl...
> > > > >> Can anyone help me using MovieMaker2 to compress a file
> > > > >> while saving it using DivX?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Or else avoid MM2 from compressing the file when saving
> > > > a
> > > > >> movie, so I can compress it later or earlier using
> > > > Virtual
> > > > >> Dub and Divx?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks!
> > > > >>
> > > > >> >-----Original Message-----
> > > > >> >Thanks for the feedback.... and I fully support all you
> > > > >> say.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Dividing a project up is one of those things that seems
> > > > >> too hard, until you
> > > > >> >jump into it. Then it goes pretty easily. The more
> > > > >> modular you make the
> > > > >> >projects/sub-projects, the easier it is for your
> > > > computer
> > > > >> to handle all the
> > > > >> >parts, and the easier for you to work on them.
> > > > >> >-- 
> > > > >> >PapaJohn
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >Movie Maker 2 - www.papajohn.org
> > > > >> >Photo Story 2 - www.photostory.papajohn.org
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >..
> > > > >> >"leeleeah" <ahadden@carolina.rr.com> wrote in message
> > > > >> >news:38C45808-6081-4BB9-9FC3-
> > > > BD76DFAF7312@microsoft.com...
> > > > >> >> I have FINALLY figured out how to save in mm2. Thanks
> > > > >> papa john for your
> > > > >> >help on your web site.....it seemed a little confusing
> > > > at
> > > > >> first but once I
> > > > >> >started splitting up my project it worked like a charm.
> > > > >> My project was 224
> > > > >> >mb long....I found that when I split it into two pieces
> > > > >> it did not
> > > > >> >work....so I went back and split it into five pieces
> > > > then
> > > > >> the saving process
> > > > >> >was only 9 minutes long for each piece....However I did
> > > > >> not cut and paste or
> > > > >> >delete any of my project. I made my project (224 mb
> > > > long)
> > > > >> and made a back up
> > > > >> >copy...... then went in to my original project and
> > > > copied
> > > > >> each segment and
> > > > >> >opened it to a new project....saving each project
> > > > >> as "high quality video" as
> > > > >> >I went along.....then after I had each segment
> > > > saved...I
> > > > >> opened yet a new
> > > > >> >project and imported all saved pieces back into my
> > > > >> project and pieced
> > > > >> >everything back together (which was not hard since it
> > > > was
> > > > >> only a few
> > > > >> >pieces). So, saving to my computer as dv-avi took only
> > > > a
> > > > >> few minutes then I
> > > > >> >burned to disc. If everyone would read your website on
> > > > >> saving mm2 projects
> > > > >> >they would come to a better understanding of how mm2
> > > > >> works in general when
> > > > >> >trying to save a project. I've been reading the xp
> > > > >> newsgroup messages quite
> > > > >> >frequently while putting my project together and it
> > > > seems
> > > > >> everyone had the
> > > > >> >same issues as me such as: hanging, generic error
> > > > >> messages, source files and
> > > > >> >so on.....Also I called tech support and boosted my
> > > > >> virtual memory to
> > > > >> >Initial 1024 and Maximum 1024....I never got another
> > > > >> virtual memory message
> > > > >> >after that.......since I was saving pieces of the
> > > > project
> > > > >> and not the entire
> > > > >> >project all together. Hope this helps some of you with
> > > > >> all these issues on
> > > > >> >saving....If you will do it this way your project will
> > > > >> not hang and you
> > > > >> >won't get all those error messages......Thanks again
> > > > papa
> > > > >> john!!!!
> > > > >> >> -- 
> > > > >> >> remember....."patience is a virtue"
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> >.
> > > > >> >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >.
> > > > >
> > >
> > >

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