Re: HTML Posting, Microsoft.* newsgroups and USENET (with a hint of USENET II)

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From: John Kelly (nospam_at_no.spam)
Date: 05/18/04 

Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 10:33:13 GMT

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"PapaJohn (MVP)" <PapaJohn@CharterMI.net> wrote in message
news:10aivmb6j624add@corp.supernews.com...
> Thanks John,
>
> I'll change me message settings to plain text for newsgroups.... to save
the
> space, as long as links work as they do in HTML, which appears to be the
> case.
>
> When it comes to apps like Outlook Express and most programs, I tend to
just
> leave them at their default settings.
> --
> PapaJohn
>
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>
> .
> "John Eddy [MSFT]" <johneddy@microsoft.com> wrote in message
> news:ueuHz3GPEHA.1644@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > For those of you who don't know me, I'm the Newsgroups Administrator
here
> at
> > Microsoft and I was asked to stop by and weigh in on the concerns of
> USENET
> > 'rules', HTML Posting, Microsoft.* and USENET, and probably a couple
other
> > things that I'll touch upon as I type.
> >
> > Are the microsoft.* newsgroups part of USENET?
> >
> > Maybe. It all depends on how you define USENET. Most people, such as
> > myself, will define USENET solely as the loose conglomeration of servers
> > around the world that freely exchange information over NNTP
> >
>
(http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&oi=defmore&q=defin
> e:USENET.)
> > Others might narrow the definition down to cover only the Big 8
> heirarchies
> > (comp., humanities., misc., news., rec., sci., soc., talk.) and
sometimes
> > alt. Like I said, I would consider microsoft.* to be part of the USENET
> > community.
> >
> > So what about USENET 'rules,' netiquette and HTML?
> >
> > There are a lot of web pages that discuss netiquette and USENET. A
quick
> > google will show you that much. RFC1855
> > (http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc1855.html) discusses a bit of netiquette,
> but
> > does not discuss HTML posts. The Rules of Conduct for the Microsoft
> > Newsgroups (http://www.microsoft.com/communities/conduct/default.mspx)
> don't
> > talk about HTML posting either. So, as far as I (in my position) am
> > concerned, there is no rule against posting to microsoft.* newsgroups in
> > HTML format.
> >
> > There have been rules mentioned that do forbid posting in HTML
> > (http://www.usenet2.org/rules.txt.) These rules are strictly for USENET
> II,
> > a project started back in 1997 as a 'gated' community that was designed
to
>
> > cut out the spam that has been troubling USENET. The microsoft.*
> newsgroups
> > are not part of USENET II (see http://www.usenet2.org/groups.html for
the
> > list of their groups) and the rules of USENET II are not relevant.
> >
> > You said you 'in your position.' Does that mean you have a
different
> > personal opinion?
> >
> > Yes. I won't stand in anyones way of posting HTML to microsoft.*
> newsgroups
> > because, as I have said, there are no official rules against it.
> >
> > However, as a USENET *user*, I recommend against it. It generates bulk
to
> a
> > message and, 9 times out of 10, does not add anything in the way of
> content
> > to a message that could not be done in plain text.
> >
> > But how much bulk does it actually add?
> >
> > Take this post for example. Posting in plain text gives me a post size
of
> > 4k, according to Outlook Express. Posting in HTML gives me a post size
of
> > 10k. While that doesn't sound like much, multiply it out by replication
> > across USENET, downloading to user machines, and it grows quickly.
> >
> > While this is generally a no-no, I do ask that if you have any questions
> > regarding this information, please cc me on your posted reply. I do not
> > regularly monitor this newsgroup.
> >
> > John Eddy
> > Microsoft Newsgroups Administrator
> >
> >
>
>
>

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