Re: The Apprentice 2 - Trials of making my first DV movie
From: jquiet (tester,testingplace,net)
Date: 03/06/04
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Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 00:48:22 -0700
That was a long post. But one thing caught my eye. You mentioned capturing
with USB from a camera? Video captured that way is never high quality unless
you have a DVD Camcorder. If you were referring to the drive connection then
that is OK.
"John" <anonymous@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> I put together a video for the Apprentice 2 and had a
> great deal of difficulty. Here is a breakdown of what
> happened and how I fixed it.
>
> I started by shooting the individual clips I wanted to
> put into a movie. This was the easy part.
>
> Then my friend recommende Adobe Premier as an editor
> which I loaded. After learning about Premier found that
> my DV camcorder could transfer digital data to my
> computer rather than analog converted to digital so I
> started down that path.
>
> I installed the USB drivers and Imaging capture software
> included with my Sony DRC-TRV19 DV Camcorder and saw it
> had the ability to capture video directly from the
> Camcorder so I used this feature to capture the clips.
> BUT the sound didn't work!!! Installed Adobe Premier
> Trial (free) and during install it pointed me directly to
> the control panel and config location that fixed the
> sound issue. Cool!!!
>
> While searching for a fix to my sound issue I found out
> that XP included Movie Maker and after looking into that
> I decided to use it. After loading 3 clips MM crashed.
> Looked into the debug info it was sending to Microsoft
> and found a Codex from a WinDVD program I installed was
> causing the problem. Looked in Google and found the
> answer. Just uninstall WinDVD. MM worked now and I
> composed the entire movie and was pleased with the cool
> transitions and MM. Now to copy the movie back to tape.
>
> First issue. USB 1.1 vs 2.0. To do good editing work
> you'll need fast interconnect either USB 2.0 or IEEE
> 1394. I thought I had USB 2.0 but found if the mfg
> doesn't specify 2.0 it is either 1.0 or 1.1. Went to the
> store and bought a USB 2.0 and Firewire PCMCIA card which
> fixed the USB 2.0 issue with my external hard drive.
>
> Then I found out USB is one-way only from the camcorder.
> Only Firewire is bi-directional. So off to the store to
> get and i.Link cable. ( Later I found I didn't need to
> buy this as Firewire PCI cards include a cable 6-pin to 4-
> pin.)
>
> When I used MM to save my video directly to the DV
> camcorder, it looked like it was going to work and the
> record mode automatically turned on when I clicked record
> in MM. But for some reason the camcorder only recorded a
> blue screen for the entire movie. No sound, no picture,
> nothing. I spent hours trying to figure this out but
> could not and had a deadline so I went down another path
> after finding a GREAT website www.papajohn.org.
>
> I ended up successfully using a program called WinDV
> which is free and papajohn links to in his site. It is a
> simple program that captures and copied .AVI files
> directly to the camcorder. I only needed the copy to DV
> feature so I generated an .AVI file. It was HUGE, 1.5GB
> in all for my 8 minute movie.
>
> There was some type of driver issue with my laptop and I
> could not get it to work. It also copied the .AVI file
> as a blue screen. Now that I knew my laptop was hosed, I
> tried to get it to work on my desktop. Off to the store
> for a USB/Firewire card and also bought Pinnacle v9 with
> a PCI capture/Firewire card for $99 as a contingency plan
> since all computer stores are closing in 30 minutes.
>
> The separate USB/Firewire card I bought was trash,
> neither the USB or Firewird drivers for that card worked
> correctly on my desktop. It wouldn't even recognize my
> external hard drive or my camcorder correctly. I need to
> return it.
>
> Put in the Pinnacle capture card and loaded Pinnacle 9.
> I tried to load the .AVI file into Pinnacle but it didn't
> work and the message was not helpful so all I knew is it
> couldn't load the 1.5GB .AVI file.
>
> Then I got the idea to try the free WinDV program on my
> desktop now that it had a firewire connection from the
> Pinnacle software/hardware bundle I bought. The first
> try didn't work then I noticed an unlabled checkbox and
> decided to check it and click <Record> in the WinDV
> program. IT WORKED!!! By default the WinDV software
> does not automatically turn recording on, but after
> checking the unlabeled checkbox it automatically turned
> recording on and I saw the movie copying to my
> camcorder!!! IT WAS WORKING!!! The Pinnacle card in my
> desktop worked and made the difference.
>
> Now I had to copy to VHS which was easy using the analog
> output on the TRV19 Sony DV Camcorder connected directly
> to my home VCR. Put a label on it and it was FINALLY
> ready to go.
>
> In summary to do video editing I'd recommend the
> following:
> 1. Use a DV camcorder, do not use analog.
> 2. Use an external USB 2.0/Firewire harddrive that can
> move between multiple computers. That was helpful.
> Copying a movie to another computer can take 15 minutes.
> 3. Use Movie Maker that ships free with XP. It is a
> great utility for editing movies. What a steal.
> 4. Be aware of incompatibilities with USB and Firewire
> drivers and cards. Not all USB/Firewire cards are equal
> and compatible.
> 5. Reference the www.papajohn.org site
> 6. Check out the WinDV program from papajohn especially
> if you are experiencing difficulty.
> 7. Editing makes home movies 10 times better. It makes
> all the difference. I tossed out at least 80% of the
> clips and reordered them to tell a story.
> 8. The faster the computer you have the better. 2.0Ghz
> and 512 memory at a minimum. Video editing is VERY
> demanding on your hardware.
> 9. Use i.Link and Firewire to pull video from and send
> video to your camcorder. It is the only way to go.
> 10. Pinnacle 9 is much cheaper than Adobe Premier $99
> vs $699. Try Pinnacle first and only get Premier if you
> are either rich or need a specific feature it has.
>
> Have a Great Day,
> John
>
>
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