Re: more blue screen misery
- From: Confused <Confused@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 10:24:01 -0800
I agree with you whole heartedly, Gerry.
Even those threads with intermittent problems could have the capacitor
problem.
My pc just happened to stop loading so completely all at once -- but since
I've read up on capacitor plague I know that it can present itself in a
variety of ways. I had openned up my case before last night... to physically
give things a 'look-see' on whether the cpu fan was running & that all cables
were firmly attached. The bulging caps & slight leakage wasn't severe enough
to catch my eye without someone pointing me in that direction. I had to
really look closely to see it. My capacitors werent leadking at the bottom.
They had no lean to them. You had to look closely around the tops to see the
leak & even the 'burnt' ones weren't obvious other than the color of the tops
& a bit of crustiness....
Live. Learn. Be Happy
"Gerry" wrote:
.
There are a lot of these types of reports in Google where there are no
reported solutions. Your first post left me wondering. Having searched
through lots of threads with no solution I found another where a
motherboard was replaced. It seems to me that a number of those with no
reported solution could be failed motherboards. Now that this thread has
highlighted the problem for me with computers of this era I think the
problem can be picked up from the messages on screen. At least to know
to look at the motherboard for the tell tale signs. I am not sure how
many will decide to get the motherboard repaired but there you are.
--
Gerry
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FCA
Stourport, England
Enquire, plan and execute
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I_cannot_say@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 00:06:00 -0800, Confused
<Confused@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
hello.
you were DEAD ON about the capacitors. 8 of the 9 big ones beside
the cpu were swollen, discolored on top or leaking. the leakage on 2
of them actually looked kind of burnt.... i'm surprised i never
smelled an odor...
do you repair motherboards by chance? just curious. after reading so
much with the all nighter, its amazing that i didn't run across the
capacitor plague possibility (within the forum) without your answer
to my post.
i'm saddened but grateful that i can let the machine die.... unless,
i can find a reasonable shop to replace the capacitors for me... the
board looks otherwise -- pretty good. have any experience with fixit
shops?? it'd be nice to know whether my neighborhood tech shop would
be charging a fair fee for the job.......
I have repaired a few motherboards in my time. Out of about 25 with
the 'plague', I've been able to fix about 23. I typically charge $95
(in Pittsburgh) to complete this. Even though you can purchase a new
motherboard for less than that, it's doubtful that you'll find an
exact replacement. If that's the case then you're looking at having
to buy a new CPU, memory, video, reloading XP and all your apps. Some
customers opt for the fix rather than going through all it that is
required to replace the mobo with a new one.
Successfully replacing capacitors on a motherboard takes the right
tools, the right parts and the right tech. I know another (younger)
tech who has attempted this fix at least a dozen times but has yet to
get it right even once (he works at Best Buy as a Geek). If you do
choose to have it repaired, find a tech with a good track record and
preferrably an older guy who knows how to solder - a lost art IMO.
Good luck,
NRJ
again, i do appreciate your help. thanks.
BTW, I'm an old hardware guy - most of the people providing answers
in this forum are software oriented. Granted, your problem could've
been software but in the future, it would be a good idea to post to
the microsoft.public.windowsxp.hardware group too.
"I_cannot_say@xxxxxxxxxxx" wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 05:34:05 -0800, Confused
<Confused@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I have a compaq presario computer thats been old faithful
....until 2 days ago that is. The model number is s4120wm, amd
athlon xp 2600+ 2133 MHz/266MHz 256k cache ram & 1g (otherwise) of
memory. I have a 60g hard drive thats over 50% free space. My CPU
fan has been running at 2000 RPM, the System fan's been running at
1100 RPM (give & take for both) My CPU temp has been a steady 55 -
57 degrees. I don't know but sounds cool to me.
My problem began when I was on the internet... I was reading news
articles from the NYTimes & like always I managed to clicked &
openned ALOT of subsequent links to other articles during the
course of my "read" -- probably 10-15 or so tabs & other explorer
windows. After one of my 'open to new tab" moves, explorer froze.
I was expecting the usual 'explorer has encountered a problem &
must shut down' notices to come up -- but it never did. Not only
did it not come up, but my computer froze. No start button, no
ctrl alt delete, to switching between windows, no nothing. I
guessed that i had balled up the cpu with requests so i let the
computer sit there for 3 hours before i decided that it was
hopeless & turned off the machine for a reboot. Then the problem
grew & continues. I can't boot up from any mode. Initially, a
normal windows start had a stop 0x0000000a (0x00000002,
0x00000007, 0x00000001, 0x805573eo) blue screen error,
IRQ_NOT_LESS_OR_EQUAL with all of the other notices I've read in
the threads saying to restart if this was the first time you have
seen this error -restart your computer. If it reoccurs, disable
bios memory caching & shadowing &/or check recently added hardware
& software..blah, blah.
I have not added any hardware or software to my system in months.
Starting windows normally now stops at the windows xp screen
(before login). Starting windows in safemode or safemode with
command prompt stops after listing the agp440.sys driver. Last
known configuration stops at the windows xp screen (before login)
recover console gave me a stop 0x0000007e (0xc0000005, 0x516e735f,
0xf7b1e0d4, 0xf7b1ddd4) with the same otherwise messages that the
IRQ_NOT_E QUAL_OR_LESS did. System Recovery CD option R gives the
stop 0x0000000a (0x106cfeee8, 0x000000ff, 0x00000001,
0x8040404f85) IRQ_NOT_EQUAL_OR_LESS again with the sames otherwise
messages that that irq error seems to always give... HELP. PLEASE.
Anybody? There has to be a way to bring this back! I ran Maxtor
Power Max... my hard drive passed a full 2 hour extended test. I
ran a memory check through the bios extended boot... so i don't
think memory is a problem either... any thoughts from anyone?
Could be the dreaded Capacitor Plague - lookie here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitor_plague
Your motherboard is most likely an ASUS, with bad capacitors. Look
at the leaking caps on the above web page and compare them with the
ones on your board - they are located just to the left of the CPU.
Next, make sure the fan on your video card is spinning, if it has
one. Also, reseat the video card (if it has one) along with the
memory sticks - remove them, clean out the slots then re-install
them making sure they're completely seated.
Other than that, you might consider a new box, which could cost
less than having your current box repaired....
Good Luck,
NRJ
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