Re: Reinstallation erases all?

Last night I'd set xp active with Fdisk for a test, today I'd set W2active
instead with PM as also made it visible and it did hid XP instead, it warns
of unhiding all since it may change drive letters, drive mapper have to work
fixing it.
The only difference I can see is visibilty in explorer. W2 is visible in
install and active so it should work, xp is visible in XP CD console, I've
learned not to ignore warnings in PM. But I guess PM is not your field so
much so I kept it out at first in this thread. If there are nothing else to
do I will unhide XP etc. I've not used PM at all since starting this thread,
until now for unhiding.


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You just told us in your other post that Partition Magic shows it as a
hidden partition, so something must have hidden it! Unhide it and try
the floppy disk again! Unhide *ALL* the partitions and park that cursed
Partition Magic! If you keep playing with PM you will end up losing all
the data on your drives. And forget about the drive letters in the
Recovery Console, they may not necessarily be the same as that used by
the Windows installations, they certainly won't match if you keep hiding
and unhiding the partitions and changing things around with PM!

John

Anton wrote:

I didnt unhide it, cause I've never hidden it, w2 worked before and
nothing
is changed of me. Also it warns of changing drive letters doing that, so
I
hesitated what use to get in a new mess, if Driver Mapper doesnt work
and
all actions need a restart.
Instead I set W2 active in PM, that hid XP and warn of unhiding, none
boots
now, not even XP as last time with starter disk, it just restarts. Part.
letters changed in XP consol with that action, with w2 CD one less. W2
is
still lost in consol but active visible as C in install, XP not active.
Consol finds nothing in C. W2 is active in PM.
Time for fixboot mbr?


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It no surprise the installations can't be booted with the NT startup
floppy diskette! Use your Parition Magic tools and unhide *ALL* the
partitions then try the floppy boot diskette again.

John

Anton wrote:


W2 CD cant find W2 in R or install, PM can where I can see what space
it
have but shows its "Hidden", 95-Fdisk shows its active non-dos, XP CD

cant

find W2 in R but in install as K inactive/OS2 boot man, the same as

other

W2s but not XP.
That starter disk have changed some.
K: dir shows its empty, PM its not.

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Anton wrote:



And those shall not be expanded?

No, they aren't in a compressed form on the XP cd, just copy them to
the
floppy diskette.




I understand there are expanded and not expanded, possibel to copy.

They aren't compressed, just use the copy command as instructed in
another post.



They have diff. sizes and expand is not copy.



Names in ini are for our id, perhaps fastdetect is missing?

What do you mean? Tell us how many hard disks and how many partition
you have on each of these hard disks, or paste the contents of your
boot.ini file here for us to have a look at it. The second sample
that
I posted can boot either Windows 2000 or Windows XP on all possible
partitions on two hard disks with two partitions each.




http://www.ubcd4win.com/downloads.htm is taken down now.

What do you intend to do with this that you can't do with the Recovery

Console or with a repair installation?



I will just look at it if other methods fail.



It all started with merging 2 NTFS files over a bootsector with Part.

magic,


as use to restart automatic, but may need my passwords. I did this
overnight, woke up and thought it was finished, shutting it off as

perhaps


should have been restarted instead.
XP stopped but W2k worked and should at least be possible to regain?

You should have said that in your first post! Partitioning errors
seldom forgive and mistakes when using these tools is a fine to
completely wreck the operating systems or lose all the data on the
disk.
What do you mean by "merging 2 NTFS files over a bootsector"? Do you
mean that you merged two partitions?

Windows 2000 was working but it stopped after you changed the active
partition to another partition. If Windows 2000 was working then it
should boot with the floppy diskette and a correct boot.ini file.
This
partition merging would certainly explain the hal.dll is missing error
when you were trying to boot Windows XP, by merging partitions the
disk
layout was changed and the partition number for the Windows XP
installation changed, the partition that the boot.ini file pointed to
was rendered invalid.

Other than that all I can suggest is that you make sure that the
correct
partition is marked as active and that you make sure that the files
boot.ini, ntldr and NTDETECT.COM are in the root of this active
partition. After you are certain that these conditions are met boot
to
the Recovery Console and navigate to the root of the active partition
and issue the following commands:

fixboot

fixmbr

For good measure, as there is no way of knowing what Partition Magic
did, it would be a good idea to make sure that the disk contains the
standard Microsoft NT type MBR, the fixmbr command will do that. If
you
want more help you will have to state exactly how your hard disks and
partitions are laid out, and where the operating systems are
installed.

John




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I'm not sure what you mean, the floppy diskette will only contain 3

files:


boot.ini
NTDETECT.com
ntldr

We don't know how many hard disks and partitions you have, by
default
Windows 2000 installs to the WINNT directory while Windows XP
installs
to the Windows directory, the boot.ini file should reflect that,

perhaps

you can try this for the boot.ini file:

=========================================================
timeout=-1
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="XP First harddisk,
first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="XP First harddisk,
second
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="XP Second harddisk,
first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINDOWS="XP Second harddisk,

second

partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="W2K First harddisk, first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT="W2K First harddisk,
second
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINNT="W2K Second harddisk,
first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINNT="W2K Second harddisk,
second
partition" /fastdetect


=======================================================================
=

If you cannot boot any of the operating systems with that then you

will

have to use your installation cds and repair the installations.

John

Anton wrote:




Its all there plus hal.dll.
Put expanded ones (renamed) on also?

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No. Put a all purpose boot.ini file on the diskette, like the one

on

Bart's site:

============================================================
[boot loader]

timeout=-1
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="First harddisk, first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="First harddisk,
second
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="First harddisk, third
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\WINDOWS="First harddisk,
fourth
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Second harddisk,
first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Second harddisk,
second
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Second harddisk,
third
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Second harddisk,
fourth
partition" /fastdetect

====================================================================

John

Anton wrote:





PS
XP got SP2 and are on NTFS if it makes any diff. W2 are on FAT.

"Anton" <nosp@xxxxx> skrev i meddelandet news:...





First in the broken PC via CD and R, now it worked a little
better

and


simpler on a working PC.

Without starting disk "NTLDR missing"
With -:- hal.dll missing on all but not XP, it started on second

but

stopped





at the XP logo.
Last working still wrong I/O.
Now I'll try to implement the missing ones the new way.

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How are you trying to copy the files? From which operating

system

are



you trying to do this? Just navigate to the i386 directory on

the

Windows XP cd and copy them to the floppy diskette.

John

Anton wrote:






Access denied.

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copy x:\i386\ntdetect.com a:
copy x:\i386\ntldr a:

X is the drive letter of the CD-ROM.

John

Anton wrote:






Those files are only in XP as Sp's, otherwise in W2, as
found

in

3


other





PC's. Now I'll try on the XP CD but where?

W2 didnt start to my surprise.


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You *MUST* use the Windows XP version of the files ntldr
and
NTDETECT.COM, extract them from the Windows XP cd. As

mentioned


in



another post the Windows 2000 version of these files
*cannot*

boot



Windows XP.




Does your Windows 2000 installation now boot properly?

John

Anton wrote:








Windows XP version of the ntldr & NTDETECT.COM files are?

I used those from w2k, it started but didnt work:
"Previous

working




OS





I/O







fault at use of startsector s.."
Otherwise on first its ntoskrln missing, second w32 conf

sys,

the



rest





ntoskrln.
This or similar will be next


http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Boot-Manager-Disk/UBCD4WIN.sh
t

m

l


or





I'll







try bootfix mbr and cfg again when acitve now is changed.

Last

I'll




run





over







W2000 on C if nothing better turns up.

Moving the disk over as slave and then transfer what I
need

didnt



work





last







time, some things couldnt be found but got back when OS
was

repaired.





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First part ok.

Copy from XP even if its starting with W2k on C?

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The Active partition flag can be set with a Windows 98

boot

diskette





and







the fdisk utility, Windows 98 boot diskettes are
available

on


the




Bootdisk.com site. You can also do this with third
party

tools



like





BootItNG by TeraByte Unlimited.

If you have a floppy drive you can make an XP/NT boot

floppy

diskette





and try to boot the Windows installations with it.

Remember

to



use





the






Windows XP version of the ntldr & NTDETECT.COM files to

create


the





floppy diskette. Also, the floppy diskette must contain

an

NT


boot





sector, it *must* be formatted with Windows NT/2000/XP,
if

you


format





it







with DOS or Windows 9x the diskette will fail to boot

Windows


2000/XP.






http://www.nu2.nu/bootdisk/ntboot/

John

Anton wrote:









See in-line:

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See in-line:

Anton wrote:










When XP wasnt working I'd set it active via w2k, then

nothing



worked,







deactive without an OS now?

Don't change the Active (System) partition! It will

only

add



confusion








to the mix, return the active partition status flag to

the

original





active partition.


How can it be done without an OS?












XP repair doesnt work, from another Bootdisk it says

hal.dll



is





a





problem.









What "other Bootdisk" do you mean? To do a repair

install

of



Windows






XP








you have to use a real Windows XP cd. What is this

other

boot



disk





that








you speak of?



From bootdisk.com got beyond the black screen and says

hal.dll



is





missing/corrupt
Otherwise I use the XP CD.










I'll try to copy an Hal and then check boot.ini.

Make sure that the partition containing the boot.ini

file

is


the





Active








partition. Post the contents of the boot.ini file
here.



Where do I find it without an OS?
Then I'll try to copy to a floppy.

On Logon it is
1E Winnt
2C XP
3M,4H and 5G Winnt

Bootcfg scan has 1-4 without xp!













John











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We don't know how your dual boot is setup, in

particular

we



don't





know








how your partitions are setup and which one is the

Active


(system)






partition. Please keep the following in mind:

1- If you set up your dual boot by following the

typical


Microsoft






instructions Windows 2000 will be installed on the

Active


(System)






partition. The shared system files Boot.ini,

NTDETECT.COM


&

ntldr






will








also be in the root folder on this partition.

2- The Windows 2000 version of the shared files

NTDETECT.COM




&

ntldr








cannot boot a Windows XP installation, the Windows
XP

version




of





those








files are aware of Windows 2000 and can boot the
older

operating





system.








If you do an in-place upgrade (repair install) of

Windows


2000





after








XP is installed it will replace the XP version of
the

files



with





the







older Windows 2000 versions. After the repair you

have

to


replace






those








files with the XP versions, the files can be
extracted

from



the