Re: Reinstallation erases all?

I didnt unhide it, cause I've never hidden it, w2 worked before and nothing
is changed of me. Also it warns of changing drive letters doing that, so I
hesitated what use to get in a new mess, if Driver Mapper doesnt work and
all actions need a restart.
Instead I set W2 active in PM, that hid XP and warn of unhiding, none boots
now, not even XP as last time with starter disk, it just restarts. Part.
letters changed in XP consol with that action, with w2 CD one less. W2 is
still lost in consol but active visible as C in install, XP not active.
Consol finds nothing in C. W2 is active in PM.
Time for fixboot mbr?


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It no surprise the installations can't be booted with the NT startup
floppy diskette! Use your Parition Magic tools and unhide *ALL* the
partitions then try the floppy boot diskette again.

John

Anton wrote:

W2 CD cant find W2 in R or install, PM can where I can see what space it
have but shows its "Hidden", 95-Fdisk shows its active non-dos, XP CD
cant
find W2 in R but in install as K inactive/OS2 boot man, the same as
other
W2s but not XP.
That starter disk have changed some.
K: dir shows its empty, PM its not.

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Anton wrote:


And those shall not be expanded?

No, they aren't in a compressed form on the XP cd, just copy them to the
floppy diskette.



I understand there are expanded and not expanded, possibel to copy.

They aren't compressed, just use the copy command as instructed in
another post.



They have diff. sizes and expand is not copy.


Names in ini are for our id, perhaps fastdetect is missing?

What do you mean? Tell us how many hard disks and how many partition
you have on each of these hard disks, or paste the contents of your
boot.ini file here for us to have a look at it. The second sample that
I posted can boot either Windows 2000 or Windows XP on all possible
partitions on two hard disks with two partitions each.



http://www.ubcd4win.com/downloads.htm is taken down now.

What do you intend to do with this that you can't do with the Recovery
Console or with a repair installation?



I will just look at it if other methods fail.


It all started with merging 2 NTFS files over a bootsector with Part.

magic,

as use to restart automatic, but may need my passwords. I did this
overnight, woke up and thought it was finished, shutting it off as

perhaps

should have been restarted instead.
XP stopped but W2k worked and should at least be possible to regain?

You should have said that in your first post! Partitioning errors
seldom forgive and mistakes when using these tools is a fine to
completely wreck the operating systems or lose all the data on the disk.
What do you mean by "merging 2 NTFS files over a bootsector"? Do you
mean that you merged two partitions?

Windows 2000 was working but it stopped after you changed the active
partition to another partition. If Windows 2000 was working then it
should boot with the floppy diskette and a correct boot.ini file. This
partition merging would certainly explain the hal.dll is missing error
when you were trying to boot Windows XP, by merging partitions the disk
layout was changed and the partition number for the Windows XP
installation changed, the partition that the boot.ini file pointed to
was rendered invalid.

Other than that all I can suggest is that you make sure that the correct
partition is marked as active and that you make sure that the files
boot.ini, ntldr and NTDETECT.COM are in the root of this active
partition. After you are certain that these conditions are met boot to
the Recovery Console and navigate to the root of the active partition
and issue the following commands:

fixboot

fixmbr

For good measure, as there is no way of knowing what Partition Magic
did, it would be a good idea to make sure that the disk contains the
standard Microsoft NT type MBR, the fixmbr command will do that. If you
want more help you will have to state exactly how your hard disks and
partitions are laid out, and where the operating systems are installed.

John



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I'm not sure what you mean, the floppy diskette will only contain 3

files:

boot.ini
NTDETECT.com
ntldr

We don't know how many hard disks and partitions you have, by default
Windows 2000 installs to the WINNT directory while Windows XP installs
to the Windows directory, the boot.ini file should reflect that,
perhaps
you can try this for the boot.ini file:

=========================================================
timeout=-1
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="XP First harddisk, first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="XP First harddisk, second
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="XP Second harddisk, first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINDOWS="XP Second harddisk,
second
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="W2K First harddisk, first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT="W2K First harddisk, second
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINNT="W2K Second harddisk, first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINNT="W2K Second harddisk, second
partition" /fastdetect

========================================================================

If you cannot boot any of the operating systems with that then you
will
have to use your installation cds and repair the installations.

John

Anton wrote:



Its all there plus hal.dll.
Put expanded ones (renamed) on also?

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No. Put a all purpose boot.ini file on the diskette, like the one
on
Bart's site:

============================================================
[boot loader]

timeout=-1
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="First harddisk, first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="First harddisk, second
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="First harddisk, third
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\WINDOWS="First harddisk, fourth
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Second harddisk, first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Second harddisk, second
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Second harddisk, third
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Second harddisk, fourth
partition" /fastdetect
====================================================================

John

Anton wrote:




PS
XP got SP2 and are on NTFS if it makes any diff. W2 are on FAT.

"Anton" <nosp@xxxxx> skrev i meddelandet news:...




First in the broken PC via CD and R, now it worked a little better

and

simpler on a working PC.

Without starting disk "NTLDR missing"
With -:- hal.dll missing on all but not XP, it started on second
but

stopped




at the XP logo.
Last working still wrong I/O.
Now I'll try to implement the missing ones the new way.

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How are you trying to copy the files? From which operating
system

are


you trying to do this? Just navigate to the i386 directory on
the
Windows XP cd and copy them to the floppy diskette.

John

Anton wrote:





Access denied.

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copy x:\i386\ntdetect.com a:
copy x:\i386\ntldr a:

X is the drive letter of the CD-ROM.

John

Anton wrote:





Those files are only in XP as Sp's, otherwise in W2, as found
in

3

other




PC's. Now I'll try on the XP CD but where?

W2 didnt start to my surprise.


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You *MUST* use the Windows XP version of the files ntldr and
NTDETECT.COM, extract them from the Windows XP cd. As

mentioned

in


another post the Windows 2000 version of these files *cannot*

boot


Windows XP.




Does your Windows 2000 installation now boot properly?

John

Anton wrote:







Windows XP version of the ntldr & NTDETECT.COM files are?

I used those from w2k, it started but didnt work: "Previous

working



OS




I/O






fault at use of startsector s.."
Otherwise on first its ntoskrln missing, second w32 conf
sys,

the


rest




ntoskrln.
This or similar will be next


http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Boot-Manager-Disk/UBCD4WIN.sht
m

l

or




I'll






try bootfix mbr and cfg again when acitve now is changed.
Last

I'll



run




over






W2000 on C if nothing better turns up.

Moving the disk over as slave and then transfer what I need

didnt


work




last






time, some things couldnt be found but got back when OS was

repaired.




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First part ok.

Copy from XP even if its starting with W2k on C?

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The Active partition flag can be set with a Windows 98
boot

diskette




and






the fdisk utility, Windows 98 boot diskettes are available

on

the



Bootdisk.com site. You can also do this with third party

tools


like




BootItNG by TeraByte Unlimited.

If you have a floppy drive you can make an XP/NT boot
floppy

diskette




and try to boot the Windows installations with it.
Remember

to


use




the





Windows XP version of the ntldr & NTDETECT.COM files to

create

the




floppy diskette. Also, the floppy diskette must contain
an

NT

boot




sector, it *must* be formatted with Windows NT/2000/XP, if

you

format




it






with DOS or Windows 9x the diskette will fail to boot

Windows

2000/XP.





http://www.nu2.nu/bootdisk/ntboot/

John

Anton wrote:








See in-line:

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See in-line:

Anton wrote:









When XP wasnt working I'd set it active via w2k, then

nothing


worked,






deactive without an OS now?

Don't change the Active (System) partition! It will
only

add


confusion







to the mix, return the active partition status flag to
the

original




active partition.


How can it be done without an OS?











XP repair doesnt work, from another Bootdisk it says

hal.dll


is




a




problem.








What "other Bootdisk" do you mean? To do a repair
install

of


Windows





XP







you have to use a real Windows XP cd. What is this
other

boot


disk




that







you speak of?



From bootdisk.com got beyond the black screen and says

hal.dll


is




missing/corrupt
Otherwise I use the XP CD.









I'll try to copy an Hal and then check boot.ini.

Make sure that the partition containing the boot.ini
file

is

the




Active







partition. Post the contents of the boot.ini file here.



Where do I find it without an OS?
Then I'll try to copy to a floppy.

On Logon it is
1E Winnt
2C XP
3M,4H and 5G Winnt

Bootcfg scan has 1-4 without xp!












John










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We don't know how your dual boot is setup, in
particular

we


don't




know







how your partitions are setup and which one is the

Active

(system)





partition. Please keep the following in mind:

1- If you set up your dual boot by following the

typical

Microsoft





instructions Windows 2000 will be installed on the

Active

(System)





partition. The shared system files Boot.ini,

NTDETECT.COM

&

ntldr





will







also be in the root folder on this partition.

2- The Windows 2000 version of the shared files

NTDETECT.COM



&

ntldr







cannot boot a Windows XP installation, the Windows XP

version



of




those







files are aware of Windows 2000 and can boot the older

operating




system.







If you do an in-place upgrade (repair install) of

Windows

2000




after







XP is installed it will replace the XP version of the

files


with




the






older Windows 2000 versions. After the repair you
have

to

replace





those







files with the XP versions, the files can be extracted

from


the




Windows







XP cd.

3- More often than not the hal.dll is missing error

message


isn't





caused by a missing hal.dll, it is usually caused by
an

incorrect




ARC







path in the boot.ini file, the line used to boot
Windows

XP


points





to







the wrong location of the installation on the hard
disk.

John

Anton wrote:










Repair worked in W2k but not in XP now, like when

hal.dll

is



missing,







option invisible. Chkdsk /r, fixboot and fixmbr didnt

help.


Should





I







perhaps









act as if hal.dll is missing?

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·databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com>

skrev i









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there is a repair
option provided
via the windows
xp setup cd.

the repair option
will replace and
repair corrupted
or missing system
files.

the repair option
will preserve your
windows and file
system.





http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport/learnmore/tips/doug9

2.mspx










---------------------------
if you use the other
option involving
reinstallation, then
this option will install
windows and overwrite
your system files and
basically wipe away
your customization.

----------------------------

however, there is also
the option to use the
recovery console via
the windows cd.

with this option you
can access the disk and
perhaps run a chkdsk and
a fixboot command in
the hope that this would
be an easier way to go:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058
--

db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

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XP and W2k doesnt boot, I get a black screen and

tested

reinstallation.








Got










a Warning and stopped, it will wipe out all old

files,

is


that




true







when









I'm










not formatting again?

















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