Re: Reinstallation erases all?
- From: "John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 10:13:41 -0300
It no surprise the installations can't be booted with the NT startup floppy diskette! Use your Parition Magic tools and unhide *ALL* the partitions then try the floppy boot diskette again.
John
Anton wrote:
W2 CD cant find W2 in R or install, PM can where I can see what space it.
have but shows its "Hidden", 95-Fdisk shows its active non-dos, XP CD cant
find W2 in R but in install as K inactive/OS2 boot man, the same as other
W2s but not XP.
That starter disk have changed some.
K: dir shows its empty, PM its not.
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Anton wrote:
And those shall not be expanded?
No, they aren't in a compressed form on the XP cd, just copy them to the
floppy diskette.
I understand there are expanded and not expanded, possibel to copy.
They aren't compressed, just use the copy command as instructed in
another post.
They have diff. sizes and expand is not copy.
Names in ini are for our id, perhaps fastdetect is missing?
What do you mean? Tell us how many hard disks and how many partition
you have on each of these hard disks, or paste the contents of your
boot.ini file here for us to have a look at it. The second sample that
I posted can boot either Windows 2000 or Windows XP on all possible
partitions on two hard disks with two partitions each.
http://www.ubcd4win.com/downloads.htm is taken down now.
What do you intend to do with this that you can't do with the Recovery
Console or with a repair installation?
I will just look at it if other methods fail.
It all started with merging 2 NTFS files over a bootsector with Part.
magic,
as use to restart automatic, but may need my passwords. I did this
overnight, woke up and thought it was finished, shutting it off as
perhaps
should have been restarted instead.
XP stopped but W2k worked and should at least be possible to regain?
You should have said that in your first post! Partitioning errors
seldom forgive and mistakes when using these tools is a fine to
completely wreck the operating systems or lose all the data on the disk.
What do you mean by "merging 2 NTFS files over a bootsector"? Do you
mean that you merged two partitions?
Windows 2000 was working but it stopped after you changed the active
partition to another partition. If Windows 2000 was working then it
should boot with the floppy diskette and a correct boot.ini file. This
partition merging would certainly explain the hal.dll is missing error
when you were trying to boot Windows XP, by merging partitions the disk
layout was changed and the partition number for the Windows XP
installation changed, the partition that the boot.ini file pointed to
was rendered invalid.
Other than that all I can suggest is that you make sure that the correct
partition is marked as active and that you make sure that the files
boot.ini, ntldr and NTDETECT.COM are in the root of this active
partition. After you are certain that these conditions are met boot to
the Recovery Console and navigate to the root of the active partition
and issue the following commands:
fixboot
fixmbr
For good measure, as there is no way of knowing what Partition Magic
did, it would be a good idea to make sure that the disk contains the
standard Microsoft NT type MBR, the fixmbr command will do that. If you
want more help you will have to state exactly how your hard disks and
partitions are laid out, and where the operating systems are installed.
John
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I'm not sure what you mean, the floppy diskette will only contain 3
files:
boot.ini
NTDETECT.com
ntldr
We don't know how many hard disks and partitions you have, by default
Windows 2000 installs to the WINNT directory while Windows XP installs
to the Windows directory, the boot.ini file should reflect that, perhaps
you can try this for the boot.ini file:
=========================================================
timeout=-1
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="XP First harddisk, first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="XP First harddisk, second
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="XP Second harddisk, first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINDOWS="XP Second harddisk, second
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="W2K First harddisk, first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT="W2K First harddisk, second
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINNT="W2K Second harddisk, first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINNT="W2K Second harddisk, second
partition" /fastdetect
========================================================================
If you cannot boot any of the operating systems with that then you will
have to use your installation cds and repair the installations.
John
Anton wrote:
Its all there plus hal.dll.
Put expanded ones (renamed) on also?
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No. Put a all purpose boot.ini file on the diskette, like the one on
Bart's site:
============================================================
[boot loader]
timeout=-1
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="First harddisk, first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="First harddisk, second
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="First harddisk, third
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\WINDOWS="First harddisk, fourth
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Second harddisk, first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Second harddisk, second
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Second harddisk, third
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Second harddisk, fourth
partition" /fastdetect
====================================================================
John
Anton wrote:
PS
XP got SP2 and are on NTFS if it makes any diff. W2 are on FAT.
"Anton" <nosp@xxxxx> skrev i meddelandet news:...
First in the broken PC via CD and R, now it worked a little better
and
simpler on a working PC.
Without starting disk "NTLDR missing"
With -:- hal.dll missing on all but not XP, it started on second but
stopped
at the XP logo.
Last working still wrong I/O.
Now I'll try to implement the missing ones the new way.
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How are you trying to copy the files? From which operating system
are
you trying to do this? Just navigate to the i386 directory on the
Windows XP cd and copy them to the floppy diskette.
John
Anton wrote:
Access denied.
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copy x:\i386\ntdetect.com a:
copy x:\i386\ntldr a:
X is the drive letter of the CD-ROM.
John
Anton wrote:
Those files are only in XP as Sp's, otherwise in W2, as found in
3
other
PC's. Now I'll try on the XP CD but where?
W2 didnt start to my surprise.
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You *MUST* use the Windows XP version of the files ntldr and
NTDETECT.COM, extract them from the Windows XP cd. As
mentioned
in
another post the Windows 2000 version of these files *cannot*
boot
Windows XP.
Does your Windows 2000 installation now boot properly?
John
Anton wrote:
Windows XP version of the ntldr & NTDETECT.COM files are?
I used those from w2k, it started but didnt work: "Previous
working
OS
I/O
fault at use of startsector s.."
Otherwise on first its ntoskrln missing, second w32 conf sys,
the
rest
ntoskrln.
This or similar will be next
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Boot-Manager-Disk/UBCD4WIN.shtm
l
or
I'll
try bootfix mbr and cfg again when acitve now is changed. Last
I'll
run
over
W2000 on C if nothing better turns up.
Moving the disk over as slave and then transfer what I need
didnt
work
last
time, some things couldnt be found but got back when OS was
repaired.
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First part ok.
Copy from XP even if its starting with W2k on C?
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The Active partition flag can be set with a Windows 98 boot
diskette
and
the fdisk utility, Windows 98 boot diskettes are available
on
the
Bootdisk.com site. You can also do this with third party
tools
like
BootItNG by TeraByte Unlimited.
If you have a floppy drive you can make an XP/NT boot floppy
diskette
and try to boot the Windows installations with it. Remember
to
use
the
Windows XP version of the ntldr & NTDETECT.COM files to
create
the
floppy diskette. Also, the floppy diskette must contain an
NT
boot
sector, it *must* be formatted with Windows NT/2000/XP, if
you
format
it
with DOS or Windows 9x the diskette will fail to boot
Windows
2000/XP.
http://www.nu2.nu/bootdisk/ntboot/
John
Anton wrote:
See in-line:
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See in-line:
Anton wrote:
When XP wasnt working I'd set it active via w2k, then
nothing
worked,
deactive without an OS now?
Don't change the Active (System) partition! It will only
add
confusion
to the mix, return the active partition status flag to the
original
active partition.
How can it be done without an OS?
XP repair doesnt work, from another Bootdisk it says
hal.dll
is
a
problem.
What "other Bootdisk" do you mean? To do a repair install
of
Windows
XP
you have to use a real Windows XP cd. What is this other
boot
disk
that
you speak of?
From bootdisk.com got beyond the black screen and says
hal.dll
is
missing/corrupt
Otherwise I use the XP CD.
I'll try to copy an Hal and then check boot.ini.
Make sure that the partition containing the boot.ini file
is
the
Active
partition. Post the contents of the boot.ini file here.
Where do I find it without an OS?
Then I'll try to copy to a floppy.
On Logon it is
1E Winnt
2C XP
3M,4H and 5G Winnt
Bootcfg scan has 1-4 without xp!
John
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We don't know how your dual boot is setup, in particular
we
don't
know
how your partitions are setup and which one is the
Active
(system)
partition. Please keep the following in mind:
1- If you set up your dual boot by following the
typical
Microsoft
instructions Windows 2000 will be installed on the
Active
(System)
partition. The shared system files Boot.ini,
NTDETECT.COM
&
ntldr
will
also be in the root folder on this partition.
2- The Windows 2000 version of the shared files
NTDETECT.COM
&
ntldr
cannot boot a Windows XP installation, the Windows XP
version
of
those
files are aware of Windows 2000 and can boot the older
operating
system.
If you do an in-place upgrade (repair install) of
Windows
2000
after
XP is installed it will replace the XP version of the
files
with
the
older Windows 2000 versions. After the repair you have
to
replace
those
files with the XP versions, the files can be extracted
from
the
Windows
XP cd.
3- More often than not the hal.dll is missing error
message
isn't
caused by a missing hal.dll, it is usually caused by an
incorrect
ARC
path in the boot.ini file, the line used to boot Windows
XP
points
to
the wrong location of the installation on the hard disk.
John
Anton wrote:
Repair worked in W2k but not in XP now, like when
hal.dll
is
missing,
option invisible. Chkdsk /r, fixboot and fixmbr didnt
help.
Should
I
perhaps
act as if hal.dll is missing?
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http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport/learnmore/tips/doug9
there is a repair
option provided
via the windows
xp setup cd.
the repair option
will replace and
repair corrupted
or missing system
files.
the repair option
will preserve your
windows and file
system.
2.mspx
---------------------------
if you use the other
option involving
reinstallation, then
this option will install
windows and overwrite
your system files and
basically wipe away
your customization.
----------------------------
however, there is also
the option to use the
recovery console via
the windows cd.
with this option you
can access the disk and
perhaps run a chkdsk and
a fixboot command in
the hope that this would
be an easier way to go:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058
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"Anton" <nosp@xxxxx> wrote in message
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XP and W2k doesnt boot, I get a black screen and
tested
reinstallation.
Got
a Warning and stopped, it will wipe out all old
files,
is
that
true
when
I'm
not formatting again?
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