Re: Reinstallation erases all?
- From: "Anton" <nosp@xxxxx>
- Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 23:06:37 +0200
I wrote one day before this thread started, in a former posting
"Black-screen and deactivate OS?" as got no answer so I wrote a new angle on
it.
Layout seen now in PM with disks are 5 parts on disk one, starts with W2
and one extra in FAT, then is one in NTFS, next is XP with one extra. XP was
merged with another extra part.
Disk 2 got an 98 and 3 W2's as stopped booting a long time ago.
Should I go on with further actions as in your former unanswered posting?
"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
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That was the most important bit of information needed, why you kept thisperhaps
a secret until now is a mystery to me. Give us the before and after
layout of your hard disks and partitions, and tell us where the
operating systems are installed.
John
Anton wrote:
Correction: It all started with merging 2 NTFS part-s........
"Anton" <nosp@xxxxx> skrev i meddelandet news:...
And those shall not be expanded?
I understand there are expanded and not expanded, possibel to copy.
Names in ini are for our id, perhaps fastdetect is missing?
http://www.ubcd4win.com/downloads.htm is taken down now.
It all started with merging 2 NTFS files over a bootsector with Part.
magic,
as use to restart automatic, but may need my passwords. I did this
overnight, woke up and thought it was finished, shutting it off as
perhapsshould have been restarted instead.
XP stopped but W2k worked and should at least be possible to regain?
"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
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I'm not sure what you mean, the floppy diskette will only contain 3
files:
boot.ini
NTDETECT.com
ntldr
We don't know how many hard disks and partitions you have, by default
Windows 2000 installs to the WINNT directory while Windows XP installs
to the Windows directory, the boot.ini file should reflect that,
butyou can try this for the boot.ini file:
=========================================================
timeout=-1
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="XP First harddisk, first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="XP First harddisk, second
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="XP Second harddisk, first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINDOWS="XP Second harddisk, second
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="W2K First harddisk, first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT="W2K First harddisk, second
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINNT="W2K Second harddisk, first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINNT="W2K Second harddisk, second
partition" /fastdetect
========================================================================
If you cannot boot any of the operating systems with that then you will
have to use your installation cds and repair the installations.
John
Anton wrote:
Its all there plus hal.dll.
Put expanded ones (renamed) on also?
"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
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No. Put a all purpose boot.ini file on the diskette, like the one on
Bart's site:
============================================================
[boot loader]
timeout=-1
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="First harddisk, first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="First harddisk, second
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="First harddisk, third
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\WINDOWS="First harddisk, fourth
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Second harddisk, first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Second harddisk, second
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Second harddisk, third
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Second harddisk, fourth
partition" /fastdetect
====================================================================
John
Anton wrote:
PS
XP got SP2 and are on NTFS if it makes any diff. W2 are on FAT.
"Anton" <nosp@xxxxx> skrev i meddelandet news:...
First in the broken PC via CD and R, now it worked a little better
and
simpler on a working PC.
Without starting disk "NTLDR missing"
With -:- hal.dll missing on all but not XP, it started on second
in
stopped
at the XP logo.
Last working still wrong I/O.
Now I'll try to implement the missing ones the new way.
"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
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How are you trying to copy the files? From which operating system
are
you trying to do this? Just navigate to the i386 directory on the
Windows XP cd and copy them to the floppy diskette.
John
Anton wrote:
Access denied.
"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
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copy x:\i386\ntdetect.com a:
copy x:\i386\ntldr a:
X is the drive letter of the CD-ROM.
John
Anton wrote:
Those files are only in XP as Sp's, otherwise in W2, as found
l
3
other
PC's. Now I'll try on the XP CD but where?
W2 didnt start to my surprise.
"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
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You *MUST* use the Windows XP version of the files ntldr and
NTDETECT.COM, extract them from the Windows XP cd. As
mentioned
in
another post the Windows 2000 version of these files *cannot*
boot
Windows XP.
Does your Windows 2000 installation now boot properly?
John
Anton wrote:
Windows XP version of the ntldr & NTDETECT.COM files are?
I used those from w2k, it started but didnt work: "Previous
working
OS
I/O
fault at use of startsector s.."
Otherwise on first its ntoskrln missing, second w32 conf sys,
the
rest
ntoskrln.
This or similar will be next
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Boot-Manager-Disk/UBCD4WIN.shtm
Last
or
I'll
try bootfix mbr and cfg again when acitve now is changed.
meddelandet
I'll
run
over
W2000 on C if nothing better turns up.
Moving the disk over as slave and then transfer what I need
didnt
work
last
time, some things couldnt be found but got back when OS was
repaired.
"Anton" <nosp@xxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
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First part ok.
Copy from XP even if its starting with W2k on C?
"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i
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The Active partition flag can be set with a Windows 98 boot
diskette
and
the fdisk utility, Windows 98 boot diskettes are available
on
the
Bootdisk.com site. You can also do this with third party
tools
like
BootItNG by TeraByte Unlimited.
If you have a floppy drive you can make an XP/NT boot
Remember
diskette
and try to boot the Windows installations with it.
the
to
use
the
Windows XP version of the ntldr & NTDETECT.COM files to
create
the
floppy diskette. Also, the floppy diskette must contain an
NT
boot
sector, it *must* be formatted with Windows NT/2000/XP, if
you
format
it
with DOS or Windows 9x the diskette will fail to boot
Windows
2000/XP.
http://www.nu2.nu/bootdisk/ntboot/
John
Anton wrote:
See in-line:
"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i
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See in-line:
Anton wrote:
When XP wasnt working I'd set it active via w2k, then
nothing
worked,
deactive without an OS now?
Don't change the Active (System) partition! It will only
add
confusion
to the mix, return the active partition status flag to
install
original
active partition.
How can it be done without an OS?
XP repair doesnt work, from another Bootdisk it says
hal.dll
is
a
problem.
What "other Bootdisk" do you mean? To do a repair
particular
of
Windows
XP
you have to use a real Windows XP cd. What is this other
boot
disk
that
you speak of?
From bootdisk.com got beyond the black screen and says
hal.dll
is
missing/corrupt
Otherwise I use the XP CD.
I'll try to copy an Hal and then check boot.ini.
Make sure that the partition containing the boot.ini file
is
the
Active
partition. Post the contents of the boot.ini file here.
Where do I find it without an OS?
Then I'll try to copy to a floppy.
On Logon it is
1E Winnt
2C XP
3M,4H and 5G Winnt
Bootcfg scan has 1-4 without xp!
John
"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i
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We don't know how your dual boot is setup, in
Windows
we
don't
know
how your partitions are setup and which one is the
Active
(system)
partition. Please keep the following in mind:
1- If you set up your dual boot by following the
typical
Microsoft
instructions Windows 2000 will be installed on the
Active
(System)
partition. The shared system files Boot.ini,
NTDETECT.COM
&
ntldr
will
also be in the root folder on this partition.
2- The Windows 2000 version of the shared files
NTDETECT.COM
&
ntldr
cannot boot a Windows XP installation, the Windows XP
version
of
those
files are aware of Windows 2000 and can boot the older
operating
system.
If you do an in-place upgrade (repair install) of
Windows
2000
after
XP is installed it will replace the XP version of the
files
with
the
older Windows 2000 versions. After the repair you have
to
replace
those
files with the XP versions, the files can be extracted
from
the
Windows
XP cd.
3- More often than not the hal.dll is missing error
message
isn't
caused by a missing hal.dll, it is usually caused by an
incorrect
ARC
path in the boot.ini file, the line used to boot
disk.
XP
points
to
the wrong location of the installation on the hard
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport/learnmore/tips/doug9
John
Anton wrote:
Repair worked in W2k but not in XP now, like when
hal.dll
is
missing,
option invisible. Chkdsk /r, fixboot and fixmbr didnt
help.
Should
I
perhaps
act as if hal.dll is missing?
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there is a repair
option provided
via the windows
xp setup cd.
the repair option
will replace and
repair corrupted
or missing system
files.
the repair option
will preserve your
windows and file
system.
2.mspx
---------------------------
if you use the other
option involving
reinstallation, then
this option will install
windows and overwrite
your system files and
basically wipe away
your customization.
----------------------------
however, there is also
the option to use the
recovery console via
the windows cd.
with this option you
can access the disk and
perhaps run a chkdsk and
a fixboot command in
the hope that this would
be an easier way to go:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058
--
db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>
"Anton" <nosp@xxxxx> wrote in message
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XP and W2k doesnt boot, I get a black screen and
tested
reinstallation.
Got
a Warning and stopped, it will wipe out all old
files,
is
that
true
when
I'm
not formatting again?
.
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