Re: Reinstallation erases all?

Correction: It all started with merging 2 NTFS part-s........

"Anton" <nosp@xxxxx> skrev i meddelandet news:...
And those shall not be expanded?

I understand there are expanded and not expanded, possibel to copy.

Names in ini are for our id, perhaps fastdetect is missing?

http://www.ubcd4win.com/downloads.htm is taken down now.

It all started with merging 2 NTFS files over a bootsector with Part.
magic,
as use to restart automatic, but may need my passwords. I did this
overnight, woke up and thought it was finished, shutting it off as perhaps
should have been restarted instead.
XP stopped but W2k worked and should at least be possible to regain?

"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
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I'm not sure what you mean, the floppy diskette will only contain 3
files:

boot.ini
NTDETECT.com
ntldr

We don't know how many hard disks and partitions you have, by default
Windows 2000 installs to the WINNT directory while Windows XP installs
to the Windows directory, the boot.ini file should reflect that, perhaps
you can try this for the boot.ini file:

=========================================================
timeout=-1
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="XP First harddisk, first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="XP First harddisk, second
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="XP Second harddisk, first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINDOWS="XP Second harddisk, second
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINNT="W2K First harddisk, first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINNT="W2K First harddisk, second
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINNT="W2K Second harddisk, first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINNT="W2K Second harddisk, second
partition" /fastdetect
========================================================================

If you cannot boot any of the operating systems with that then you will
have to use your installation cds and repair the installations.

John

Anton wrote:

Its all there plus hal.dll.
Put expanded ones (renamed) on also?

"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
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No. Put a all purpose boot.ini file on the diskette, like the one on
Bart's site:

============================================================
[boot loader]

timeout=-1
default=multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS
[operating systems]
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(1)\WINDOWS="First harddisk, first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(2)\WINDOWS="First harddisk, second
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(3)\WINDOWS="First harddisk, third
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(0)partition(4)\WINDOWS="First harddisk, fourth
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(1)\WINDOWS="Second harddisk, first
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(2)\WINDOWS="Second harddisk, second
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(3)\WINDOWS="Second harddisk, third
partition" /fastdetect
multi(0)disk(0)rdisk(1)partition(4)\WINDOWS="Second harddisk, fourth
partition" /fastdetect
====================================================================

John

Anton wrote:


PS
XP got SP2 and are on NTFS if it makes any diff. W2 are on FAT.

"Anton" <nosp@xxxxx> skrev i meddelandet news:...


First in the broken PC via CD and R, now it worked a little better
and
simpler on a working PC.

Without starting disk "NTLDR missing"
With -:- hal.dll missing on all but not XP, it started on second but

stopped


at the XP logo.
Last working still wrong I/O.
Now I'll try to implement the missing ones the new way.

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How are you trying to copy the files? From which operating system
are
you trying to do this? Just navigate to the i386 directory on the
Windows XP cd and copy them to the floppy diskette.

John

Anton wrote:



Access denied.

"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
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copy x:\i386\ntdetect.com a:
copy x:\i386\ntldr a:

X is the drive letter of the CD-ROM.

John

Anton wrote:



Those files are only in XP as Sp's, otherwise in W2, as found in
3

other


PC's. Now I'll try on the XP CD but where?

W2 didnt start to my surprise.


"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
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You *MUST* use the Windows XP version of the files ntldr and
NTDETECT.COM, extract them from the Windows XP cd. As
mentioned
in
another post the Windows 2000 version of these files *cannot*
boot
Windows XP.




Does your Windows 2000 installation now boot properly?

John

Anton wrote:





Windows XP version of the ntldr & NTDETECT.COM files are?

I used those from w2k, it started but didnt work: "Previous

working

OS


I/O




fault at use of startsector s.."
Otherwise on first its ntoskrln missing, second w32 conf sys,
the

rest


ntoskrln.
This or similar will be next



http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Boot-Manager-Disk/UBCD4WIN.shtml

or


I'll




try bootfix mbr and cfg again when acitve now is changed. Last

I'll

run


over




W2000 on C if nothing better turns up.

Moving the disk over as slave and then transfer what I need
didnt

work


last




time, some things couldnt be found but got back when OS was

repaired.


"Anton" <nosp@xxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
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First part ok.

Copy from XP even if its starting with W2k on C?

"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i meddelandet
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The Active partition flag can be set with a Windows 98 boot

diskette


and




the fdisk utility, Windows 98 boot diskettes are available
on

the

Bootdisk.com site. You can also do this with third party
tools

like


BootItNG by TeraByte Unlimited.

If you have a floppy drive you can make an XP/NT boot floppy

diskette


and try to boot the Windows installations with it. Remember
to

use


the



Windows XP version of the ntldr & NTDETECT.COM files to
create

the


floppy diskette. Also, the floppy diskette must contain an
NT

boot


sector, it *must* be formatted with Windows NT/2000/XP, if
you

format


it




with DOS or Windows 9x the diskette will fail to boot
Windows

2000/XP.



http://www.nu2.nu/bootdisk/ntboot/

John

Anton wrote:






See in-line:

"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i
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See in-line:

Anton wrote:







When XP wasnt working I'd set it active via w2k, then
nothing

worked,




deactive without an OS now?

Don't change the Active (System) partition! It will only
add

confusion





to the mix, return the active partition status flag to the

original


active partition.


How can it be done without an OS?









XP repair doesnt work, from another Bootdisk it says
hal.dll

is


a


problem.






What "other Bootdisk" do you mean? To do a repair install
of

Windows



XP





you have to use a real Windows XP cd. What is this other
boot

disk


that





you speak of?



From bootdisk.com got beyond the black screen and says
hal.dll

is


missing/corrupt
Otherwise I use the XP CD.







I'll try to copy an Hal and then check boot.ini.

Make sure that the partition containing the boot.ini file
is

the


Active





partition. Post the contents of the boot.ini file here.



Where do I find it without an OS?
Then I'll try to copy to a floppy.

On Logon it is
1E Winnt
2C XP
3M,4H and 5G Winnt

Bootcfg scan has 1-4 without xp!










John








"John John (MVP)" <audetweld@xxxxxxxxxxx> skrev i
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We don't know how your dual boot is setup, in particular
we

don't


know





how your partitions are setup and which one is the
Active

(system)



partition. Please keep the following in mind:

1- If you set up your dual boot by following the
typical

Microsoft



instructions Windows 2000 will be installed on the
Active

(System)



partition. The shared system files Boot.ini,
NTDETECT.COM
&

ntldr



will





also be in the root folder on this partition.

2- The Windows 2000 version of the shared files

NTDETECT.COM

&

ntldr





cannot boot a Windows XP installation, the Windows XP

version

of


those





files are aware of Windows 2000 and can boot the older

operating


system.





If you do an in-place upgrade (repair install) of
Windows

2000


after





XP is installed it will replace the XP version of the
files

with


the




older Windows 2000 versions. After the repair you have
to

replace



those





files with the XP versions, the files can be extracted
from

the


Windows





XP cd.

3- More often than not the hal.dll is missing error
message

isn't



caused by a missing hal.dll, it is usually caused by an

incorrect


ARC





path in the boot.ini file, the line used to boot Windows
XP

points



to





the wrong location of the installation on the hard disk.

John

Anton wrote:








Repair worked in W2k but not in XP now, like when
hal.dll

is

missing,





option invisible. Chkdsk /r, fixboot and fixmbr didnt
help.

Should



I





perhaps







act as if hal.dll is missing?

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there is a repair
option provided
via the windows
xp setup cd.

the repair option
will replace and
repair corrupted
or missing system
files.

the repair option
will preserve your
windows and file
system.






http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/helpandsupport/learnmore/tips/doug9

2.mspx








---------------------------
if you use the other
option involving
reinstallation, then
this option will install
windows and overwrite
your system files and
basically wipe away
your customization.

----------------------------

however, there is also
the option to use the
recovery console via
the windows cd.

with this option you
can access the disk and
perhaps run a chkdsk and
a fixboot command in
the hope that this would
be an easier way to go:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058
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db·´¯`·...¸><)))º>

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XP and W2k doesnt boot, I get a black screen and
tested

reinstallation.






Got








a Warning and stopped, it will wipe out all old
files,
is

that


true





when







I'm








not formatting again?
















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