Re: Cannot see TIFs in XP was: Windows XP Home system file association problem...

David

FYI.. Temporary Internet Files are stored here..

C:\Documents and Settings\username\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files

To make them visible, go to FOLDER OPTIONS in Control Panel.. click on the
VIEW tab, and check the box 'show hidden files and folders'

After doing whatever you have planned, reset back to hidden unless you want
your customer to screw even more stuff up..



The way to get experience of XP is NOT to try things out on somebody else's
computer, especially a computer that is only two weeks old.. your experience
of XP and general attitude towards it will preclude you from advancing a
great deal.. computer users who come in here postulating about how bad XP is
generally end up making fools of themselves simply on the basis that there
are many more out there that have a great time with XP..

The one thing that you have to realise is that XP is not a minor advancement
on the old Win 9x family.. it is a very different animal.. that said, many
of the functions remain similar as far as the user is concerned..

You make points about it being bloated and running far more than it should
behind the scenes.. but the services don't run unless the user installs
software that utilises them.. they are part of the XP's support, nothing
more..

The system tray works the way it does to save room for other things.. it
takes less than a minute to get used to it.. that is what I would have told
the guy.. and over the course of a week, he would realise that it is a
better way too..

Re Nero and Sony Sound Forge.. if the user can't handle the system tray
(notification area) as XP presents it, he doesn't have a hope in hell of
working Sony Soundforge.. for burning CDs, Nero is one of the best programs
available, way better than XPs native and basic (by design) CD burning and
less complex than Sony SF.. In my opinion, removing Nero was a mistake..

Examining TIF files?.. why?.. and playing MP3's from the TIF folder?..
why?.. one of the first things to do when suffering slow internet access is
to delete TIF's.. I have dialup here too, but I have never thought to run
anything from that folder.. items are never there long enough..

Quote.. (Fry's wasn't even competent enough to include a partitioned > drive
behind which he could store files away from the OS partition).. the best
place to back up data is on something that can be placed far away from the
computer.. CDs are good for this, and if Nero was still present, they still
could be..

I feel sorry for the guy that you are supporting.. he has had his XP
computer for just two weeks, and it's a mess already.. I don't doubt he
played his part, but to then be helped by somebody who also doesn't have the
first clue re. XP?.. why can't people just leave things alone and use a
computer productively instead of messing and tweaking on the advice of the
expert next door?..

Many users come to these newsgroups to get problems fixed, and the system
works quite well.. if they ask about things before playing around and really
screwing things up, all the better.. and there is nothing worse than a
person with negative preconceptions of an OS fixing or attempting to
customize a product that he/she doesn't understand.. in all honesty, XP is
not difficult to understand once a user forgets that it is not a Win 9x type
OS.. as said, many, many single users exist out there who know nothing of
problems with XP because they don't get any..

If you or anybody else out there thinks that I have been unfair, then so be
it, but this is how I see it.. computer users with no technical knowledge or
ability rely on those who claim they have both, and when the claims fall
short, it is time to say something..


--
Mike Hall
MVP - Windows Shell/User

"If hard work were such a wonderful thing, surely the rich would have kept
it all to themselves." - Lane Kirkland


"David Morgan (MAMS)" <mams@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:MMkse.3376$kj5.3054@xxxxxxxxxxx
>
> "Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" <mike.hall.mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message...
>
>> If you do not know what you are doing, make your friend party to it and
>> leave his system alone..
>
> <cough-cough> I'm humbled.... and feeling a bit chafed. <g>
>
> I understand your concern. I'm not sure how you would classify my
> knowledge... so just let me just say that I'm 52 years old and I have
> been supporting PCs with Microsoft OSes since Windows 3.1.... after
> several previous years as a Macintosh user. I've supported this elderly
> gentleman's PCs for almost 10 years - - and during OSR 2 and Win95,
> offered light help in these very forums with Outlook Express and IE.
>
>> To make an XP system look like Win 98, you go to Performance settings in
>> Control Panel and set the level to best performance.. that does it
>> instantly.. there is no 'slowly' getting there about it..
>
> Already did that... thanks. This did not remedy the collapsing system
> tray,
> restore constant visibility to the quick start menu bar, cease the rather
> silly
> dissappearance of the lesser used menu items, etc al.. If it should
> have,
> then we have another problem.
>
>> Re looking back at temporary internet files to get mp3's and jpg's?..
>> surely
>> it would be better to revisit the sites than to start shuffling about in
>> areas where you really shouldn't..
>
> My dear fellow... these files were playing well from cache. The PC owner
> is in a rural area and on a dial-up connection good for about 36kbps down.
> Had the files been visible, I probably could have saved them before the
> initial internet connection was completed, let alone the time required
> to download files which indeed already existed and were playing from
> somewhere on board. Unfortunately, they were invisible, and the file
> path pointed to the original download source \tif.
>
> Is there some justification for telling me that saving files from TIF
> folders
> is something that should not be done? Examining TIFs explains a great
> deal about how several unique internet functions take place and how
> they affect your PC. I've saved files from this location regularly for
> myself and others since Win95B OSR2.
>
>> Your attempts at file associations have probably left the user having to
>> do
>> a recover which will essentially wipe out everything. leaving the user to
>> start from square one..
>
> I would never allow the user to do a recover under XP or any other
> software
> that claims to offer this function at this point in time... possibly
> never. But
> as the box is only a couple of weeks old, a total re-format and reload
> after
> saving his documents and mail folders would probably be less destructive
> over time. (Fry's wasn't even competent enough to include a partitioned
> drive behind which he could store files away from the OS partition).
>
>> Why doesn't he have need of Nero software?.. it is very useful when
>> burning
>> CDs..
>
> Because he has the Sony SoundForge and CDArchitect package. Nero
> is a toy in comparison. He's also quite familiar with the WMP, which he
> actually prefers to use for such things unless the project is serious
> enough to warrant the Sony software, which isn't installed yet and won't
> be until what we consider to be the system idiosyncrasies are ironed out.
>
> Because of the silly wizards, my elderly friend has accidentally assigned
> actions to things that he shouldn't have. I'll have to remedy much of
> this,
> but my current question stands... whay can't I see the TIFs? After
> checking
> all of the settings, my best guess was that the index.dat file, which has
> somehow become a Nero *sound file*, is no longer indexing for view.
> I don't see how this could be, but I am reasonably certain that I've done
> everything possible to view the contents of the TIFs.
>
> I could easily be wrong, even ingnorantly wrong, but I'm looking for the
> reason, not for a chastizing for examining the OS to improve my
> knowledge and familiarity.
>
>> Re. the superfluous BS?.. who decided that it was?.. you or him?
>
> If anyone really wants to understand their Windows box, they should
> start with a mobo, minimal hardware, and an OS. Then, as they assemble
> the box and add hardware and software, closely examine exerything that
> transpires. (Not being a serious XP user, I'm not even certain that there
> is a SFChecker as of yet). As the system changes with hardware and
> software additions, one can grow to understand what it is that they are
> dealing with, and when files and file associations change due to hoggish
> software or oversights made durning installation, realize the problem and
> solve it.
>
> "Restore" is not an issue.... *understanding* is.
>
>> .. it could
>> either be left on the computer on the basis that he may have experimented
>> with some of it, or just un-installed through ADD/REMOVE PROGRAMS..
>
> The only reason it's still there, is because I wanted to ask a few
> questions first.
>
> I've removed Nero from several PCs over the years and still ended up
> editing
> the registry to get the file associations to dissappear. Anything that
> doesn't
> uninstall efficiently is BS in my mind... so I suppose that it's ME who
> decided
> that he has a bunch of crappy software installed, without choice, onto a
> bloated
> OS (which likes to run rediculous processes in the background) and only
> has
> a Fry's "restore" disc from which to work.
>
> Sorry Mike, for a _single end user_, I'm not impressed thus far with XP.
>
>> --
>> Mike Hall
>> MVP - Windows Shell/User
>>
>> "If hard work were such a wonderful thing, surely the rich would have
>> kept
>> it all to themselves." - Lane Kirkland
>
> <joke> Hard work pays off over the long term... laziness pays off today.
> </joke> ;-)
>
> Can you provide any information as to why I cannot see the TIF files?
>
> Thanks again,
>
> --
> David Morgan (MAMS)
> http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com
> Morgan Audio Media Service
> Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901
> _______________________________________
> http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com
>
>
>
>
>> "David Morgan (MAMS)" <mams@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
>> news:9k8se.15033$2K4.12227@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> > <Warning...new at XP>
>> >
>> > I was asked to provide help a to friend try to make his new PC look
>> > like the 98 system that he just upgraded from. In this case, he has
>> > purchased the system from Fry's Electronics, one of their personally
>> > branded systems which came loaded with many superfluous BS
>> > programs that he'll never use, but also it came with only a "Restore"
>> > disc containing all of that BS.... no individual software or Windows
>> > OS discs.
>> >
>> > As I was able to slowly get his system looking like something that he
>> > was familiar with, he came up with something else he wanted me to
>> > help him learn to do....
>> >
>> > He wanted to save a few items (MP3's, .jpgs, and .swf files) that had
>> > been obtained through surfing links in e-mails that had been sent by
>> > friends. He had not cleared his internet cache, so my first thought
>> > was simply to go looking in the temporary internet files folders and
>> > save them from there. (He's on a dial-up or I would have gone back
>> > to the urls).
>> >
>> > When I finally managed to find these (and the history folder, now
>> > buried in the master "temp" folder which used to be a separate beast),
>> > there were no files visible. I made several attempts to make them
>> > visible by changing file preferences before it dawned on me that
>> > *somehow* the master "Index.dat" files in each of these folders
>> > had somehow been associated with blasted NERO !!!! My best
>> > explanation is that these master index files are now looking to show
>> > only files within those folders that are NERO files... therefore no
>> > ordinarily visible internet files *at all* were to be seen within those
>> > folders. No scripts, no urls, no .jpgs, nothing at all. The items
>> > *would*
>> > play or display in the e-mails out of cache, as we worked off line, so
>> > they should have been visible, right?
>> >
>> > Given that he has only a Fry's RESTORE disc, is there any way that
>> > I can re-associate the master "Index.dat" files in both the Temporary
>> > Internet and History folders to Windows ??
>> >
>> > My best guess at this point, is that the only way to do this would be
>> > to uninstall NERO, check them again, and then possibly delete them
>> > and reboot to see if they are recreated by the registry, or completely
>> > replace with a reload from his restore disc after deleting them. He
>> > has no need for any of the Nero audio software.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > DM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>


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