Re: Thanks!! Clean Install

Mike,

what I would like to see is the ability to choose what to install and remove
(what are to me) unecessary items. I would also like to know what the 38
processes are that are running all of the time.

You may counter with, "you can remove this or that" but when one tries to
eliminate unwanted applications, such as Messenger, a warning comes up
that this may compromise other programs. Oh yeah? Like which ones?

I do not want or need any of the space consuming code that is required for
networking. I would prefer NOT to have MS wizard for my camera and scanner.
How did MS eliminate my way-better scanner software?

In short, yes all I want is the speed and simplicity that was DOS, expanded
a little bit to accomodate the ability for external inputs. I don't care
about games, playing music, talking on the phone via internet, web cams or
any of that other mind-numbing, time wasting crap. I have a genuine life.
I look after 9 dogs, play in two bands, am rebuilding an old sports car and
maintain my house and yard in addition to a regular job. On the side I am in
the middle of planning a military reunion. I really don't want to have to
spend time cleaning up a computer or trying to figure out why things
disappear everytime I do a MS "upgrade". I want MS to stop bundling all of
their mediocre applications into the operating system and allow us consumers
to make our choices based on our wants and needs. I got a hot flash for MS:
Yes, you guys are obviously very smart and hard working, BUT very few of
your customers appreciate your arrogant, heavy handed approach in deciding
that "you know best" what is needed or wanted in a computer application.

I will give MS this kudo amid the criticsm, SP2 did the right thing in
"getting out of the way", so to speak, of third party security software. I
just wish it would stop interfering with everything else.

chuck

"Mike Hall (MS-MVP)" <mike.hall.mail@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:eFEL#bvYFHA.3272@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Chuck
>
> An operating system is only as fast as the system on which it resides..
>
> Re. programs, if programmers were to always take into account backwards
> compatibility, we would still be stuck with DOS based word processors that
> have just three fonts available..
>
> WordPerfect has had a history of incompatibility re Windows (WP 7 wasn't
too
> bad but did crash out on occasion), but it is the OS that drives the
system,
> and should take priority over programs.. if Corel choose to use
programming
> code to get what they want, and it proves to be incompatible with the OS,
> then they must change the code..
>
> If you look back at any program, there has always been an element of
> incompatibility with newer OSes.. to make a program with new and better
> features often involved functions that may only be available in Win 98 as
> opposed to Win 3.11 for instance..
>
> So none of us like paying for upgrades all of the time.. the answer is to
> only upgrade if you really have a need, i.e. not every version step..
>
> Linux and Mac programs do not rate as the worlds best by a long shot..
they
> are also a little thin on the ground.. WordPerfect released a version of
one
> of their office suites for the Mac aways back, but the features were
reduced
> compared to the Windows version purely because MacOS lacked some
> functionality..
>
> Re. features in a newly installed computer, how would you feel if you
bought
> a computer and could do nothing with it other than just access various
bits
> of hardware?.. the way things are, you can hook up a printer and create a
> letter, play a game, scan and print out pictures, play music, receive
> e-mail, surf the net, all kinds of things..
>
> What would you like to see removed, and if MS did what you asked, what
> effect would that have on others who do not have the cash at all to buy
> programs that would give them even a modicum of functionality?
>
>
>
> --
> Mike Hall
> MVP - Windows Shell/User
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
>
>
>
>
>
> "persian ram" <chuck_petterson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> news:O9bQnhtYFHA.3132@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > not to beat a dead horse, but your words don't reflect my experiences.
> >
> > I have yet to install an "improved" MS operating system thatwas faster
> > than
> > the one it is suposed to replace or cause screw ups in existing
software.
> > In the past 20 years I have spent thousands of dollars on software, none
> > of
> > which has much more useabilty or reliabilty than the edition I
originally
> > purchased. Most purchases were made to accomodate incompatibilities
with
> > new MS operating systems when I upgraded a computer. MS clogs its
> > "operating system" with "features" I neither use nor want. These items
> > add
> > to the complexity of the program and slow down everything.
> >
> > I have purchased my last MS OS system. When I can't keep these machines
> > patched together any longer I will go linux or mac.
> >
> > chuck
> >
> >
> >
> > "David Candy" <.> wrote in message
> > news:#LLDersYFHA.3572@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> They go out of their way to make it old programs work. I don't know
about
> >> Quark but only 3 Corel programs are listed for compatability.
> >>
> >> Corel Office 2000 - the dictation setup program has special code in XP
to
> >> make it work.
> >> Corel Reference - XP disables themes for this program.
> >> Corel Draw 9 - I think this is for the Japanese version only - XP has
> >> special code to allow this program to work.
> >>
> >> They have teams at MS that just test applications. The quarks and
corels
> > can
> >> test their own programs and tell MS as well. MS will do either
> >> 1. If it applies to a large number of programs make Windows work how
> >> programs expect (this is often due to common bugs in applications)
> >> 2. If it is a bug in only one program write a compat shim for it.
> >>
> >> You can make any program use any shim (there are several hundred
generic
> >> ones too for old programs that didn't follow the rules). Install the
> >> Application Compat Toolkit of the XP CD-Rom.
> >>
> >>
> >> "persian ram" <chuck_petterson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
> >> news:ezR9EIsYFHA.1092@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> > Thanks to those of you "regulars" who gave advice to me in my recent
> >> > struggle with my wife's compromised Dell Dimension 4500S XP machine.
> >> >
> >> > I backed up all of the data. It took nearly two weeks for someone to
> > come
> >> > up with a workable method of backing up the Outlook Express address
> >> > book
> >> and
> >> > messages, but it finally appeared.
> >> >
> >> > The machine fought me to th bitter end. It didn't want to "format
c:"
> >> from
> >> > any place. I eventually cracked its stubborn code and got underway.
> >> >
> >> > Everything went reasonably smooth. I used my oem disk, followed by
the
> >> SP2
> >> > diskthat I received a few days earlier. This was follwed up by the
24
> >> meg
> >> > "update" to SP2. Why can't MS ship CURRENT disks?? When I had that
> >> > set
> >> > installed I loaded Norton which, of course, needed 20 megs of
updates.
> >> >
> >> > I followed that with reloading the various applications. I noticed
> >> > some
> >> > strange goings on during application loading. Applications seemed to
> > take
> >> > many minutes to get "settled in". Software for my printer-fax-copier
> > was
> >> > not happy, so I uninstalled it and subsequently reinstalled and
> > everything
> >> > works fine now.
> >> >
> >> > MS seems to go out of its way to make sure corel software is
> > incompatible
> >> > with XP, so I had to buy a new edition of the corel office suite.
> >> Thanks,
> >> > MS. Other application suppliers are just as greedy. Quark insisted
> > that
> >> my
> >> > older version of Quark Xpress(4.1) would not work on XP and I would
> >> > HAVE
> >> to
> >> > buy 5.0 or later. HA!! 4.1 had been running on XP since I bought the
> > Dell
> >> > and another machine that has XP. I dug out the secret code for
getting
> >> past
> >> > the upgrade gate and everything is fine.
> >> >
> >> > All in all I lost one day of work plus three evenings and part of a
> >> weekend
> >> > getting the machine ready to rebuild and then actually cleaning it
up.
> >> > Since I am not a computer geek in my daily life, the processes took
> >> > much
> >> > longer than need be, I am sure.
> >> >
> >> > If there are any hackers or worm makers, trojan horse builders, or
> >> > virus
> >> > breedeers looking at this message, I hope you burn in hell.
> >> >
> >> > chuck
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>


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