Re: To Wes/Others, was: Re: How get *MANUAL* XP Updates?

From: Wesley Vogel (123WVogel955_at_comcast.net)
Date: 01/27/05 

Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 19:53:23 -0700

Frank,

We may be able to fix some things, but it sounds like you have a lot of
messed up items.

I have not answered all of your questions. Lets take a few things at a
time. :-)

Did you use Advanced Search to search for Hidden Or System Files?

Here's how...
HOW TO: Search For Hidden Or System Files In Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;302347

%windir% is a variable that shows where the Windows directory is.

This will open the WINDOWS folder. It may be C:\WINDOWS or C:\WINNT or C:
may be a different drive letter. I'm going to refer to %windir% and
C:\WINDOWS as the same thing in this post.

Try this...
Start | Run | Type or paste: %windir% | Click OK |

What folder opens???

You can highlight the path in the Address Window, right click and select
Copy. Paste that info into a message.

The *.dll files should be located in
C:\WINDOWS\system32
and
C:\WINDOWS\system32\dllcache
not in the registry.

Paste or type this in the Start | Run box:

%windir%\system32

Click OK.

Does a system32 folder open?

Go to this site. You have to download an ActiveX control to verify that
your copy of XP is legit. It should contain all the missing *.dll files.
BTW, I got to this link from one of the others that I posted about (BITS)
2.0. You do _not_ need BITS to be running. All you need are IE and a legit
copy of XP.

Update for Background Intelligent Transfer Service (BITS) 2.0 and WinHTTP
5.1 (KB842773)
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=b93356b1-ba43-480f-983d-eb19368f9047&displaylang=en

If you didn't have a %windir% you would not be running Windows XP.

The system sounds are located in %windir%\Media Paste that in the Start |
Run box, see if you have the media folder.

.Net Framework is not needed for a lot things. .Net Framework is an option
that is installed with Windows XP by default. I do not have .Net Framework.
I have removed it.

BITS does _not_ need .Net Framework. Windows Update does _not_ need .Net
Framework.

There are no Microsoft folders for XP. C:\Windows or C:\WINNTis where XP
lives.

mscorwks.dll is Microsoft .NET Runtime Common Language Runtime -
WorkStation. I do not believe that this is dependant on the Workstation
service. It's used if your machine is a Workstation.

MSCorSvr.dll is Microsoft .NET Runtime Common Language Runtime - Server.
This file is used if your machine were a Server.
=====

Some things to think about a Repair Install.

In the mean time, you can read this over. Read the _whole_ thing!!!!!!

[[Please check out the warning links before attempting the Repair Install.
It is very important that you follow the suggestions to prevent data loss
listed in the Warning #1.]]
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm#Warning1

[[...you can use an OEM XP Pro or Home ...to perform a Repair Install. OEM
Restore disks will not work for the Repair Install.]]
How to Perform a Windows XP Repair Install
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm 

-- 
Hope this helps.  Let us know.
Wes
MS-MVP Windows Shell/User
In news:1106775779.212770.91060@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com,
lbrty4us@aol.com <lbrty4us@aol.com> hunted and pecked:
> Wesley Vogel wrote:
>
>> You can try unregistering and regisering the following files.
>>
>> Paste all of the following into the Start | Run box, one at a time...
>>
>> regsvr32 /u Bitsprx2.dll
>> regsvr32 /u Bitsprx3.dll
>> regsvr32 /u Qmgr.dll
>> regsvr32 /u Qmgrprxy.dll
>> regsvr32 /u Winhttp.dll
>>
>> regsvr32 Bitsprx2.dll
>> regsvr32 Bitsprx3.dll
>> regsvr32 Qmgr.dll
>> regsvr32 Qmgrprxy.dll
>> regsvr32 Winhttp.dll
>> regsvr32 Xpob2res.dll
>
> The first 4 modules either don't exist or can't be found in my
> registry - I didn't bother with the other 2 after noting that.  I had
> also noted the same prob when trying 2 of them from the MS Update
> helpsite before posting here.  So it's obvious that problem #1 is
> there is missing stuff.
>
>> Do you have the KB842773 Windows Update??
>
> AFAIK (i.e., from the hotix list reported in the Add/Remove utility),
> no.  This would seem moot at present, since I can't obtain any further
> updates until BITS is up & running.
>
>> Is your error 1058 maybe 1053???
>
> No.
>
> There may or may not be a related problem:  I'm getting .Net Framework
> Initialization Error
> c:\Windows\Microsoft.NET\Framework\v.1.1.4322\mscorwks.dll could not
> be loaded (_not_ when trying to start BITS but when clicking Help
> items etc.).
>
> I don't even _have_ a Microsoft folder & subfolders anymore (just
> found out); it they were orphaned into .found files by chkdisk when I
> used it as an interim fix for the previous HD which had a few bad
> sectors.
>
> FWIW in replacing the HD I imaged the otherwise-fine-running
> installation because it was reinstalled to a partition, whereas there
> is no other way to install necessary OEM s/w except the damned
> "restore CD's" which would wipe out the partitioning and the 2 other
> OS's which have taken weeks to refine.  I didn't notice the missing
> directory as I seldom looked at the rather uninspiring XP Home tree.
> ;-)  Naturally all the system sounds are orphaned therein too, but I
> hadn't noticed since I don't use them.
>
> Now, I don't know that BITS is .NET Framework dependent, or even if it
> requires anything from the MS directory path, but I did locate the
> orphaned mscorwks.dll, and noted in its Properties that Workstation is
> a dependency (even though the latter seems to be running without
> complaint).
>
> I also don't know if online Update itself is .NET Framework dependent,
> but think it prudent to address this missing folder & all its files
> first B4 focussing further on the BITS failure, yes? (Or pls correct
> me if U disagree)
>
> So, either this is part of the problem, or not, but I also need to
> somehow restore the entire missing MS directory & wiping/a clean
> install is not feasable due to the "recovery CD's" issue.  It would
> take weeks to rebuild the other 2 OS's from scratch.
>
> Therefore:
>
> Q:  Can I extract the whole folder from the Recovery console (yes I
> have a plain-Jane XP Home CD)?  I know see how to extract individual
> driver files from a .cab for example, but have no clue how to extract
> a folder & it contents.  And how to know exactly which .cab anything
> is in, isn't anywhere on the CD.
>
> Q:  On inserting the XP CD (which also has SP1) just to browse it, it
> displays a gui task menu that also lists .NET Framework, presumeably
> for separate install.  HWVR, clicking this item does nothing.
>
> Q:  Or alternatively(?), I have pretty much if not all of the original
> MS directory contents in the orphaned (.found) folders, though it
> lacks a v.1.1.4322 folder (but seems to have it's files).  If I knew
> what the directory structure is supposed to look like, perhaps I
> could patch it together by creating the missing folder(s) & dumping
> the found stuff into them.
>
> The only other half-vast idea I've had, is to attempt a 2nd clean XP
> install to an empty 2gb "shared" partition I have, copy whatever it
> creates for a Microsoft folder to the original installation, then wipe
> it. I'm not sure if this ploy would alter my MBR & creat other
> problems.
>
> It isn't clear from the docs (if U call them docs) whether one can
> "upgrade install" XP over XP & only have it replace missing items
> (assume not?).
>
> I'm getting discouraged as I've spent 4x the time/work screwing with
> XP than even with Lnx. :-( Thank God for some of you technical
> people.  XP is still the most efficient OS for my battery/laptop
> needs.  None of this is any fault of XP no matter what some of us may
> hate about it. XP actually seems rather robust.  IMHO it all comes
> down to the fault & greed of OEM's furnishing restore CD's that
> cripple us & cause hundreds of hours/dollars of losses & hassles when
> repair or restoration is needed - OR give us the only alternative
> loss of losing the s/w.
>
> So I am _exceedingly_ grateful for any competent guidance in patching
> up my existing install in the least worst fashion, & to think outside
> the box.
>
> Much thx the read.
>
> Rgds,
> frank

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