Re: TV-Out problem

From: Mark L. Ferguson (marfer_mvpREMOVE_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 11/11/04


Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2004 06:20:32 -0600


'cross-talk' sounds like the culprit. I would shield all the wires. (create
a 'Faraday cage', wrap in alum. foil, and ground it)

-- 
Mark L. Ferguson (NOT an MS-MVP)
marfers notes for windows xp 
http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/chatNotes.htm
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"Dan K" <joeblow65@mail.com> wrote in message 
news:166e7679.0411102144.5ecee75b@posting.google.com...
> Quick update...
> It appears the problem is caused by my Sound Blaster Audigy.  It turns
> out if I disable the digital audio output on the Audigy (which by the
> way is connected to the same amplifier that receives the S-Video
> input) the problem goes away.  Of course now I don't have sound!
> (Simply disconnecting the RCA cable accomplishes the same as turning
> it off in the driver.)  The reason it worked for a while was because I
> just recently connected the digital audio output after re-installing
> Windows.  (It had been connected for over a year with my 9700 Pro and
> worked fine.)  Therefore it is my conclusion that there was a hardware
> redesign between the ATI Radeon 9700 Pro and the Radeon 9800 Pro which
> made the S-Video output more susceptable to interference.  Now why the
> Audigy card is causing this interference is another good question.  I
> doubt neither Creative Labs, nor ATI will take any responsibility for
> this issue.
> My next step will be to attempt to connect everything into the same
> outlet (computer, monitor, amp, tv, etc.) to prevent any ground loop
> possibilities and see what happens.
>
> Later,
> Dan K.
>
> joeblow65@mail.com (Dan K) wrote in message 
> news:<166e7679.0411101009.2bc25e22@posting.google.com>...
>> Thnaks for the response Mark, but that wouldn't be the problem.  First
>> of all the connection is an S-Video connection.  Secondly, the problem
>> is not intermittant.  The problem is very predictable and
>> instantaneous.  Once the boot-up sequence get's to a certain point,
>> the image gets snowy.  This points to some kind of software
>> (driver/OS) issue rather than a hardware problem.  But just to be
>> sure, I have checked the physical connections numerous times to ensure
>> they are good.
>>
>> Just thought of something, it may still be a hardware problem.  I
>> assume the OS is loading some low level drivers at this point in time,
>> including USB and mouse drivers.  Perhaps once these interfaces are
>> initialized, the electrical characteristics of these interfaces
>> changes and is causing the interference.  That still doesn't explain
>> why it worked and now does not, unless I loaded USB drivers which were
>> not there before.  I will attempt to disable and disconnect all non
>> essential hardware and their respective drivers and see if that helps.
>> If it does, then there is probably a bad cap. somewhere in my system.
>>
>> Will keep everyone posted.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan K.
>>
>>
>> "Mark L. Ferguson" <marfer_mvpREMOVE@hotmail.com> wrote in message 
>> news:<#ogVmEsxEHA.2036@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl>...
>> > Your symptoms are consistent with the classic problem with co-axial 
>> > cable.
>> > The center pin lacks a good physical contact with the plug. If you bend 
>> > the
>> > pin slightly to ensure good physical contact, you will get rid of the 
>> > slow
>> > fade in signal.
>> >
>> > -- 
>> >
>> > Mark L. Ferguson (NOT an MS-MVP)
>> > marfers notes for windows xp
>> > http://www.geocities.com/marfer_mvp/chatNotes.htm
>> > .
>> > "Dan K" <joeblow65@mail.com> wrote in message
>> > news:166e7679.0411080731.240b42f7@posting.google.com...
>> > > Sorry for the multiple posts, but apparently when posting from the
>> > > Microsoft Discussion forum, my message got posted even though I
>> > > received an error indicating there was a failure posting the message
>> > > and I should try again later.  So I tried again later, 7 times in
>> > > total, all "failed".  So here's my 7 copies.  Another quality
>> > > Microsoft product :-)
>> > > Let's try posting from Google this time and see how that works.
>> > > Dan K
>> > >
>> > > "Dan K" <Dan K@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:<1B16DAB5-C13D-4A90-A479-24F5BEAFA581@microsoft.com>...
>> > >> I have an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro which has been having problems with 
>> > >> the
>> > >> TV-Out
>> > >> capability.  ATI has been less than helpful in trying to help me 
>> > >> resolve
>> > >> them.  The issue is the quality of the picture is very poor.  Before
>> > >> anyone
>> > >> interjects and says TV-Out quality is normally poor, I am aware of 
>> > >> that,
>> > >> but
>> > >> it is even worse than it should be.  Specifically what I am seeing 
>> > >> is as
>> > >> follows:  While the PC boots the TV-Out quality is as expected.  I 
>> > >> can
>> > >> clearly see my POST and early boot-up sequence.  The Windows XP 
>> > >> splash
>> > >> screen
>> > >> looks perfect, than right when the scrolling progress indicator on 
>> > >> the
>> > >> splash
>> > >> screen pauses (mine always pauses for a split second after being up 
>> > >> for a
>> > >> few
>> > >> seconds.) the picture becomes very snowy.  Shortly thereafter the 
>> > >> picture
>> > >> goes away entirely.  Now this happens whether I have any ATI 
>> > >> specific
>> > >> driver
>> > >> loaded or not.  (That is to say, even with no ATI or Windows drivers 
>> > >> for
>> > >> the
>> > >> 9800 Pro loaded, I get TV-Out up to this point.)  If I do have the 
>> > >> latest
>> > >> 9800 Pro drivers loaded, I must enable TV-Out from the driver 
>> > >> control
>> > >> panel,
>> > >> however the quality is still very poor as mentioned above.  I had a 
>> > >> 9700
>> > >> Pro
>> > >> in the past which seemed to work fine (except it would overheat so 
>> > >> ATI
>> > >> sent
>> > >> me a new 9800 Pro replacement)
>> > >> Additionally, after messing around with it for a while, I decided to
>> > >> re-install Windows from scratch.  Everything worked perfectly for a 
>> > >> few
>> > >> weeks
>> > >> (including TV-
>> > >> Out) but then just today, the problem came back.  There is nothing I 
>> > >> can
>> > >> put
>> > >> my finger on in terms of software I have installed, or driver 
>> > >> updates I
>> > >> may
>> > >> have gotten to cause the issue.  I have obviously re-installed all 
>> > >> the
>> > >> video
>> > >> drivers to no avail.  I have also un-installed anything I could 
>> > >> think of
>> > >> since It last worked.  No dice.  Tried restoring to a restore point 
>> > >> where
>> > >> I
>> > >> know it worked, still no help.
>> > >> If anyone knows of any issues, has seen this problem before, or has 
>> > >> any
>> > >> info
>> > >> on how I can proceed, I would appreciate it very much.  I am a 
>> > >> software
>> > >> engineer, so no need to dumb it down for me.
>> > >> I am currently running SP2 with all the latest updates.  However as
>> > >> mentioned before, I have not updated Windows in the recent past so 
>> > >> it did
>> > >> work with SP2 installed previously. 


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