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From: Tom (no-way_at_not-here.com)
Date: 06/28/04 

Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 22:17:23 -0400

Well, you certainly seem more than aware to the workings of major
democracies that don't own up to their creeds other than the visions their
leaders see! There have been a few times when I felt like moving to Holland
to get away from our system of spreading democracy and involving ourselves
in the business of nations not living up to the standards of the great USA.

our government complains to other countries that abuse the right and
physical being of its people, which many do. But add that we are the beacon
of democracy in the world when we least represent it by our actions outside
it. Inside it is a mess of neighborhoods that are rarely intertwined with
the great mix of masses here; races and creeds living among themselves with
the air that everyone is equal, all black, hispanic, etc, neighborhoods,
that are almost all working class or people of little means to make or have
money.

Hell, we are so powerful that we can bomb nations, but we can't (or I should
say simply DON'T!) provide universal health care for the low income masses
while the rich get richer off the backs of the poor, including the extreme
poor of 3rd world nations.

Then folks here wonder why some nations hate us LOL! All this power, and we
do little to help without condition for giving it. People in desperate need
or starving have little use for conditions, considering their lives depend
on only what they have little of; they understand giving, but they don't
have the means to pay the price!

"David Candy" <david@mvps.org> wrote in message
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The problem is is that each state makes the law. So there are 50 sets of
rules, as we were all educated during the coup 4 years ago. The rest of the
world got educated in these things such as you mention.

It's such a mess. All democracy is oppression. In westminister systems close
elections do not always go to the party with most votes. But what one side
wins on the roundabout the pick up on the swings so it's accepted. But as in
Texas where the dems had to flee the state a gerrymander in known unknown
here. Queensland had one for decades by drawing boundaries so their seat
winning power is maximised by decreasing their winning margin in areas they
control. EG Labour got their areas put into safe seat where their votes were
wasted.

But know we have independent bodies drawing the boundaries and the courts
deciding appeals. Courts are not stacked with political appointees (except
for the high court - and those always decide against their previous
politics). But the current extreme right try their best as they have no
honour. 

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"Tom" <no-way@not-here.com> wrote in message 
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> I wish we had voting that way, kind of like a run-off election, but
> unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. Hell, even the whole popular vote
> doesn't mean the most nationally voted for candidate would win, as didn't
> Gore, though he clearly won the popular vote. I think we need to rid of 
> the
> Electoral College thing as it worked well when we were a small country 
> long
> ago.
>
> Even then, the electors who control each states electoral process can even
> make a change of the votes if they see fit, and sometimes do when they are
> certified with a certain party.
>
> http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/electoral_college/procedural_guide.html
>
> "There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law requiring electors to
> vote in accordance with the popular vote in their States. In the 1976
> election, a Washington elector pledged to President Gerald Ford voted for
> Ronald Reagan. In the 1988 election, a West Virginia elector voted for
> Senator Lloyd Bentsen as President and for Governor Michael Dukakis as 
> Vice
> President. But some state laws require electors to cast their votes
> according to the popular vote and provide that so-called "faithless
> electors" may be subject to fines or may be disqualified for casting an
> invalid vote and be replaced by a substitute elector."
>
> Does this sound democratic??
>
> We are in need of true democratic elections that go by popular vote 
> through
> a run-off style election. Thanks for that info regarding your election
> process, it is an eye-opener!
>
> "David Candy" <david@mvps.org> wrote in message
> news:uATEaPIXEHA.2940@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> Like America here in Australia the right purged traditional conservatives
> from the party (our previous right wing parties former PM and opp leaders
> sound like marxist these days - I kid you not - ex PM Frazer combined with 
> a
> former Labour PM to oppose the war as did the current PM's precedessor).
>
> When I see Bush's speechs (howard does the same but not to the same 
> extent)
> I see the nuremberg rallies. Uniforms everywhere.
>
> I beginning to think that the only way the current (ie extreme) right can 
> be
> prevented from killing people for electrol advantage is to reconstruct the
> defense forces (weak defense forces is a bad idea) from a volunteer force 
> to
> a universal conscription force (3 months training and 2 years in reserve 
> or
> whatever). Then they won't be game to send the "boys" overseas to kill.
>
> The US army and National Guard (you have over 100 different defense forces
> to Australia 3) recruit by offering education and other benefits. Here 
> those
> advantages everyone gets anyway so there is a far more class thing there.
> The poor killing other poor people and dying so bush can win an election
> among the voters in the US whose kids do not sign up.
>
> What the US needs is electrol reform. Compulsory voting and proportional
> voting.
>
> Here a vote for green ends up flowing back to the labor party (like
> democrats) through proportional voting. The lowest canidate is eliminated
> and those ballot papers are redistributed with those voters second choice
> then being awarded to the remaining canidates. And so on untill there are
> only two canidates left. So voting green doesn't give an election to the
> hard right. A vote for Nader would have ended up a vote for Gore.
>
> Compulsory voting prevents the government from discriminating too much
> against groups because everyone votes. One can't afford to piss too many
> off. Rather than tax cuts and services given only to swinging voters a
> government must give (or take) more fairly.
>
> This does remind me of germany in the early 30s. Same techniques, same
> propaganda. Our parliments just haven't burnt down yet.
>
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> "Tom" <no-way@not-here.com> wrote in message
> news:OpFeKBIXEHA.3120@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > I know this is off topic, but to hell with ti!
> >
> > I live in the US, and have never voted for a democrat, I have voted 
> > Green
> > the past two elections (Nader). But this current president is the worst 
> > I
> > have ever experienced, and the most scary and secretive. I will vote for
> > Kerry simply because we need a regime change here!
> >
> > IF Bush wins again (or is selected by a US Supreme Court ruling), he 
> > will
> > no
> > longer say "God Bless America", but refer to America as the Fatherland
> > *goosesteps in background*.
> >
> >
> > "David Candy" <david@mvps.org> wrote in message
> > news:eIPXt4HXEHA.2544@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > Liked your too.
> >
> > -- 
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> > http://www.counterpunch.org/bageant06132004.html
> > "Tom" <no-way@not-here.com> wrote in message
> > news:%23xnHS3HXEHA.500@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > LMMFAO!
> > >
> > > That was awesome!
> > >
> > > "David Candy" <david@mvps.org> wrote in message
> > > news:eGbStjHXEHA.3512@TK2MSFTNGP12.phx.gbl...
> > > You would like this guy's work
> > > http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/0EE30E43-B137-417C-9FA4-E629E849E7DC.htm
> > >
> > > and
> > >
> > > http://home.comcast.net/~wizardofwhimsy/index.html
> > >
> > > If the page ever finishes downloading .... I'll look at yours.
> > > -- 
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > http://www.counterpunch.org/bageant06132004.html
> > > "Tom" <no-way@not-here.com> wrote in message
> > > news:OMJafcHXEHA.3716@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > True that! He avoids answering me all the time :-) !
> > > >
> > > > Maybe he likes George Bush (OUCH!)
> > > >
> > > > Here's a little image I made for the Bushites!
> > > >
> > > > https://home.insightbb.com/~ctom42/Animation5.gif
> > > >
> > > > "David Candy" <david@mvps.org> wrote in message
> > > > news:uU7BtVHXEHA.3012@tk2msftngp13.phx.gbl...
> > > > And you forgot to add that it is out of character for Carey to go
> > > > looking
> > > > for a fight.
> > > >
> > > > -- 
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> > > > http://www.counterpunch.org/bageant06132004.html
> > > > "Tom" <no-way@not-here.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:uWjlbQHXEHA.1656@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Carey Frisch" <mrxp2004@nospamyahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:OVumEpGXEHA.1888@TK2MSFTNGP11.phx.gbl...
> > > > > > Dear David , Aren't you the foul mouth that threatened Bill 
> > > > > > Gates
> > > > > > when
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > newsgroup went down for a day ? You are the last person that
> > > > > > should
> > > > > > be
> > > > > > calling anyone a idiot for  ANY  reason.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Carey Frisch
> > > > > > Microsoft MVP
> > > > > > Windows XP - Shell/User
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Be Smart!  Protect your PC!
> > > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/security/protect/
> > > > >
> > > > > Um, this isn't the real Carey, this is an imposter. Looking at the
> > > > > properties headers shows this clearly, especially the different IP
> > > > > addresses, and the fact that the real Carey is using OE with SP2 
> > > > > RC2
> > > > > installed. The imposter also forgot to ad [MVP] after the name of
> > > > > Carey
> > > > > in
> > > > > "From" properties!
> > > > >
> > > > >
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