Re: DVD / DVD+R /DVD-R / DVDRW. Are they all really distinct media

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Thank you, Walter. My lesson here is I had a week of anxiety about my DVD
recorder ("Is Samsung the worst in the industry?" was one Google hit that
fueled my anxieties), found some information (mostly this MS community
discussion), you responded to my precise query (off the track of this
discussion), and I'm back on dry land, as it were, or back breathing the free
air of the city, where people look out for each other.
"Walter Wall" wrote:


"chrisrushlau" <chrisrushlau@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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If I can jump in that mention of -RW not reading as precisely as +RW: My
Samsung R100 seems to be wearing out after three years, early on used with
lots of dusty disks: it rejects many once-used disks (-RW) as unreadable.
This is progressing, from rarely to occasionally (randomly) to now where
anything but a fresh disk is unreadable. I assume the hardware mechanism
that positions the read-write head gets confused/lost as it navigates the
disk: it wobbles too much or diffracts the signal too much to read it
accurately.


It is not the mechanics that is the problem. Unfortunately, solid state
lasers have a limited life. And the lasers used in CD/DVD drives seem to
have a shorter life than they really ought to do. Three years is about
average for a laser life (and they usually last long enough to survive the 1
year warranty - just). In your drive, the laser has weakened to the point
where it is barely reading the image on the disc.


"M.I.5¾" wrote:


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"Rahul" <nospam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I'm always confused by DVD terminology when buying media to write on.
There's DVD / DVD+R / DVD-R / DVDRW and I'm not even sure which more!

Are these all really distinct technologies and formats? Or are some
subsets
/ supersets of others? Or maybe its only backward compatibility
issues?
What's the best way to figure out what format my Laptop supports? Do
they
have varied sizes? Does it matter whether I'm writing data or movies
etc.?
I faintly remember there being lead-in / lead-out issues....

I've never faced the problem that I bought some commercial movie etc.
on
a
DVD and my Dell Laptop ( Inspirion E1505)'s inbuilt DVD reader
/writer
couldn't read it. Its a dual boot so are there any Linux-vs-Win
issues
too?

Are these distinctions only relevant when writing disks at home as
opposed
to commercially stamped disks? Or maybe when reading on hardware
other
than
"computers" (etc. DVD players etc.)



First: the easy bit. The 'R' media is write once. The 'RW' media can
be
erased allowing its re-use.

A little more complex is the difference between the '-' discs and '+'
discs.
As far as you the user is concerned, except for some uses there is
little
to
chose. Some older video DVD players will refuse to recognise the
DVD+RW
discs (but will recognise DVD+R). This was the result of a deliberate
attempt by Toshiba to discourage the '+' format. Once rumbled they
had
to
abandon it.

For DVD-R and DVD+R, there is no practical difference other than the
latter
is written faster by some drives.

For DVD-RW and DVD+RW there is a subtle difference in that the former
is
eraseable at the block level only. The latter is eraseable at the
word
level. This means that individual words can be erased and
overwritten.
It
also means that if used for video, more video can be added to the end
of
existing video and the two played through seemlessly. This cannot be
done
with the '-' format.

If you are planning on using packet incemental format (Nero's InCD or
Roxio's Drag-to-disc), then DVD+RW will be much more reliable than
DVD-RW.

Just out of curiosity, why is that? (I don't use the packet writing
format, but am curious, and would have expected the older standard to
be
more compatible in this case, too - seems like (from a hardware
viewpoint)
it might be "simpler" to just erase the whole block, rather than the
individual word - albeit less desireable for the user).


It is because the read/write head when writing a DVD-RW in the drive, can
only locate positions on the disc to within a block of data. As a result
the drive has to leave a 2 block gap between different data block to
avoid
over writing previous data. It is bit hit and miss and consequently it
misses on occasions and overwrites something. If that happens to be part
of
the TOC or FAT, then the disc is corrupt and unreadable.

DVD+RW is a bit more technologically advanced such that the read/write
head
can locate to a word of data and accurately overwrite it. Thus the
potential for overwriting something important, whilst not entirely
removed,
is vastly less likely.






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