Re: Lightning - funny how we're not seeing him any more

w_tom wrote:
So the person who even lied about having an EE degree will
decree how that UPS stopped what three miles of sky could
not? It will do what the manufacturer does not even claim? Of course. Leythos said so. It must be true.

Leythos then procedes to post more insults so that we will
fail to notice the bottom line. He still posts no numbers. He still claims that UPS did what even its manufacturer does
not claim.

  What every lurker must remember is that Leythos once tried
to make a technical claim AND tried to claim he had an EE
degree.  But he did not even notice the difference between
impedance and resistance - a first year EE course.  So
whenever he is cornered by a demand for numbers, he instead
posts insult.  It works because so many see the insults and
forget about those demands for numbers.


I don't know if you are referring to me as the "lurker" or not, but I have yet to see any thing in your posts that I would trust by itself. Trusting in only one form of protection is like protecting your house with a guard dog. Yes, it might work a lot of the time, but there are times when locks or alarms are also prudent. My own experiences (over 40 years with electronics starting with tubes and mechanical relays) is that a UPS has its place. It is not the only form of protection, but neither is a whole house ground, or an isolator.
Our company had both of those installed by electricians (some of who worked with the major Strip hotels) and these devices only alleviated part of the power "ripple" we were seeing. A UPS was also necessary to clean up the power enough that the fragile electronics (discrete transistors) on the $25,000+ disk drives were not damaged.


This is the question a lurker must ask. Will you believe
the electronic salesman who lied about an EE degree and who
fears to even post those UPS specs? Or the EE who was doing
this stuff before Leythos even existed? The engineer who even
designed some of thise stuff, who first learned why things
fail by replacing transistors, and who built electronic
protection circuits says Leythos is lying. That is the extent
of my personal insult vocabulary. Leythos lies. When caught
in a lie, he then used personal insults to accuse the other. This post not to change Leythos mind. That is impossible. This post again to warn the lurker about outright liars such a
Leythos - who even lied about having an EE degree and who will
not even apologize for that lie.


And yet, I have Never seen any proof offered by you as to your qualifications. Usually when I make a choice I listen to all sides of the question, regardless of the qualifications of the proponents, and then make my choice.


Leythos wrote:

This is EXACTLY what he states in his rantings - that a UPS will not
protect you from storm surges UNLESS you have a "whole house" grounding
system, and once you have a "whole house" grounding system you don't need
the surge protection of a UPS.

He's very careful to NEVER ADDRESS anything posted by people that have
seen, in person/first hand, where a device connected to an outlet is
damaged during a electrical storm, but the devices connected to the UPS
that is also connected to the SAME outlet have remained undamaged.


In our case the failures on hard drive electronics went from at least
once a month to zero after we placed the drives on a UPS.  In our area
there are a number of industrial concerns.  The use of some of their
equipment affected the power to our building enough to stress the drive
electronics, but only enough to maybe cause the florescent lights to
flicker.


I can watch the power swings on strip recorder, watch spikes, even watch
high-freq injection in AC lines, and the good quality APC units will
remove almost all of it, in addition to storm surges. I should mention
that none of these locations had "Whole House" grounding system, that my
own home doesn't, and that we've never lost a device connected to a
quality UPS.

He pulled this same crap in another group, where he ranted for days and
snipped/refused to address others with experiences like your/mine, and
then faded away. I think he googles for places that are talking about
power issues just so that he can talk with people, even if he's trolling.

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