Re: Lightning and computer?

What do I repeatedly post? That 'less than 10 foot'
connection to earth ground. Al Dykes quoted Telebyte without
first learning what Telebyte also demands. Telebyte also
recommends that 'less than 10 foot' connection.

So you tell me where that 'less than 10 foot' connection
exists on your plug-in UPS? No dedicated connection to earth
ground defines an ineffective protector. The protector that
you did not even know about probably provided protection that
you 'just know' was provided by a UPS. A UPS located too far
from earth ground and that did not even claim to provide that
protection. But somehow you know the UPS must have provided
the protection.

I discount anyone who claims to have an EE degree and then
does not even know the difference between resistance and
impedance. Concepts taught in the very first year - and yet
you did not even know the difference. No wonder you insist one
need not understand the underlying concepts. You don't even
have basic EE training. Why should anyone believe he who
cannot even provide the manufacturer's specs for that UPS?
How am I to believe someone who does not even know the UPS's
joules rating? How am I to believe one who just knows - and
cannot even provide one useful number. How am I to believe
someone who knows his UPS did what even the manufacturer does
not claim?

No, Leythos, I do not expect to use science and numbers to
change your opinions. You were brain washed by the
propaganda. Number mean nothing to you. You claimed to be an
EE and yet don't even have basic EE knowledge - confusing
resistance with impedance. Demonstrated to the lurker is
where plug-in protector recommendations come from. Urban
myths promoted using junk science reasoning. You only need
'feel' that UPS provided protection that a telco protector
(that you did not even know existed) provided. You never once
cite a single number with your repeated personal attacks. You
even avoid the request for that APC UPS specification.
Instead you respond with insults.

Posted were circuit descriptions for how different
appliances were and were not damaged. I simply asked for
further details to better explain your damage. You never even
post numbers let alone a single detail. To prove your
knowledge, you reply with insults. You demonstrate the kind
of people who recommend ineffective plug-in protectors. You
even lied about having an EE education. That explains why
those manufacturer specs (or any other engineering number) are
not provided.

No, this is not to convince you of anything. Your replies
are to demonstrate to lurkers why ineffective, undersized, and
grossly overpriced protector are promoted. You even lied
about having an EE degree.


Leythos wrote:
> I listened to your incessant rantings in another group about this same
> subject and found that you can't understand anything except your own
> rantings.
>
> Since I have experience that indicates a quality UPS will save devices
> protected by it, while at the exact same time devices not protected by
> a UPS are damaged, I don't see any way to dispute it. I've seen many
> instances, first hand, where a device connected to an outlet, using a
> 3 wire cord, is damaged, but, the USP connected to the same outlet,
> had not damage to the devices protected by it.
>
> Here's and example. I co-worker has their computer/monitor/printer
> connected to the UPS and it's connected to outlet A1. The same outlet
> connects (A2) connects to a radio. During a storm, where we could see
> a strike near our building, the radio was damaged, but the USP
> protected devices remained undamaged. I could list about 20 other
> instances over the years where I've seen this.
>
> Now, I suppose your going to discount my experiences again, as they
> don't make your assertions exactly perfect in the real work. I'm not
> knocking a properly protected home/business, I'm stating, in my
> personal experience, that your statements that a UPS does not protect
> devices is, well, if you excuse the expression, full of horse-pucky.
>
> So, explain how devices that are on the same circuit, those connected
> to a UPS are undamaged and those not connected to the UPS are damaged
> (same wire/outlet - top/bottom sockets).
.

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