Re: Need additional info!
From: Alon Brodski (abrodski_at_delete.012.net.il)
Date: 06/09/04
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Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2004 23:31:39 +0200
Hey!
Thanks for the advice...but my question still stands-how to have a dual boot
system (Win XP/Win98SE) without using 3rd party boot managers.I understand
about installing another controller/HD,but how to have DUAL BOOT available?
Plus....BX chipset....does it support UDMA/100/133? what about BIOS (1999)
Alon
"Yves Leclerc" <yvesleclercNOSPAM@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:eFo9FLcTEHA.2128@TK2MSFTNGP09.phx.gbl...
> First: adding a PCI ATA/100 controller will give the full speed to the
> UDMA/ATA100 hard drives connected to it.
>
> Second: the original UDMA/33 ports on the motherboard will still be
> available. Therefore, on the PCI ATA/100 controller will add to the total
> number of drives you can have: 4 on motherboard + 4 on PCI ATA/100 = 8
> drives
>
> Third: To move the Windows Xp completrely to the new drive, usually the
> harddrive manufacturer would normally provide a utility to copy to the new
> drive. It would be available on their web site.
>
> Forth: To use the PC ATA/100 to boot XP, you will need to install the PCI
> card drivers. This may require the driver to be installed during setup of
> XP. You may have to re-install XP.
>
> Fifth: The Master/Slave scheme will still apply.
>
>
> "Alon Brodski" <abrodski@delete.012.net.il> wrote in message
> news:40c626f1$1@news.012.net.il...
> > Hey!
> >
> > Thanks a lot for your advice!
> >
> > From what you had told me I understood that if I have a UDMA/33
> motherboard
> > and add a PCI ATA/100 controller card,then even though I won't get
beyond
> > 33MB/s (mainboard bottleneck),but still it would be closer to that
> > theoretical limit,than if I was using old UDMA/33 built in controller?
> >
> > The reason why I don't feel like wasting an old HD has nothing to do
with
> > space.I don't feel like wasting time to start everything again from the
> > scratch,nor do I want to use 3rd party software (that needs to be also
> > BOUGHT)
> > Partition Magic from Symantec now would cost me like $70 and a new HD
> like
> > 80.So why bother?
> > 2nd reason is that I'd rather have 2 different partitions- NTFS and FAT
on
> 2
> > different physical disks.
> > The only unclear part is how to install Win 98SE on a second HD and to
> have
> > a multi boot enabled (after having XP already running).
> >
> > Another question is....if I install that PCI card....what would happen
> with
> > master/slave scheme of ATA in my system? Meaning...I know that normally
in
> a
> > system you have 2 IDE channels and you can have 4 units installed on
> them.So
> > if I add a new controller on a card-then what?I can have up to 8 units
> then
> > or not? (like 4 channels with 2 devices on each).And it also is unclear
> what
> > you meant exactly when you proposed me to experiment with my older HD to
> get
> > a better performance...Say if I have a newer one as a master on one
> channel
> > on a PCI card....then the older HD to put as a master on a 1st channel
on
> > the motherboard?(same where it's now)
> > Or you meant that I should still put the older HD on a PCI card,but on a
> > different channel there (not the one with newer disk) and also put the
> older
> > disk as a master there?I would have like 3 masters in the system them
:-)
> >
> > thanks in advance,
> >
> > --
> > Yours truly,
> > Alon Brodski
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Bob Harris" <rharris270[SPAM]@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:urKWUg4SEHA.2908@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> > > My own experience with a similar upgrade may provide some answers, or
at
> > > least some hope:My PC was a Gateway pentium 2, 450Mhz, 128 Meg RAM,
> win98
> > > first edition, ATA/33 (UDMA/33) on motherboard. I added a Maxtor
> ATA/100
> > > PCI card with two (2) controllers on it. I left the ZIP and CD on one
> of
> > > the motherboard controllers, since they are slow devices. I added two
> > > ATA/100 disks on the PCI board, both on the same controller, as master
> and
> > > slave. The second controller on the PCI board was not used. These
> disks
> > > performed far faster than the older ones, but then both were ATA/100.
> > >
> > > If you do not get the full speed form the new disk, try attaching the
> old
> > > disk to the motherboard. Or, get a PCI card with two controllers and
> > attach
> > > the old disk and a different controller from the faster one.
> > >
> > > Alternatively, use the disk imaging softtware that usually comes with
> new
> > > retails disks to transfer all the files (even system files) to the new
> > disk.
> > > Then boot wih only the new disk attached. Toss the old disk, perhaps
> > after
> > > doing a long format on it. I know that it seems like a waste to get
rid
> > of
> > > a perfectly good disk. But, seriously, isn't the new one a lot larger
> > than
> > > the old one?
> > >
> > > As for the BIOS supporting the new disk, that is more of a function of
> the
> > > BIOS associated with the disk controller, not the BIOS on the
> motherboard.
> > > For example, the motherboard may have a BIOS limit of 32Gig, but the
> > > controller should be rated at least 127Gig (mine was, and that was
> almost
> > > three years ago). Newer controller s can go into the tera-byte region
> > (that
> > > is beyond 1000Gig). However, XP can not handle that big a disk,
unless
> > you
> > > (a) have SP-1 installed, and (b) enable 48-bit LBA in the registry.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Alon Brodski" <abrodski@delete.012.net.il> wrote in message
> > > news:40c1a036$1@news.012.net.il...
> > > > Hello world!
> > > >
> > > > I have UDMA/33 HD as a primary master,CD-RW as a secondary master
and
> > > CD-ROM
> > > > as a secondary slave.
> > > > The PC is Dell OptiPlex PIII.450 MHz,192MB,1999 edition.Interl BX
> > chipset
> > > > I want to buy a faster and bigger PATA HD and add it to the system.I
> > would
> > > > also buy a new controller PCI card and 80wire cable for it. So I
have
> > few
> > > > questions to ask here:
> > > > 1)Are my 2 HD's would be on the same IDE channel? (I'm not going to
> > > connect
> > > > physically new HD to the motherboard,but to ext.card).
> > > > 2) If yes...Would my older HD make my newer one work as
> UDMA/33,instead
> > of
> > > > UDMA100/133?
> > > > 3)What could be a solution?
> > > > 4)Can My PC (BIOS,chipset,etc) actually support UDMA/100/133?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Yours truly,
> > > > Alon Brodski
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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