Re: how to change out system disk?
From: Doug Floer (spam_at_localhost.com)
Date: 05/11/04
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Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 21:36:16 -0700
Thanks for taking the time to help out. Followed your excellent
instructions closely, although I didn't use xcopy in favour of ghost.
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get the system to boot to the new disk. I
get the "press any key to reboot" each time I boot the system up. I've done
the "in-place upgrade" XP reinstallation and even used repair mode to fix
the boot block and MBR of the new C: partition, validate the boot.ini with
bootcfg and map. There seems to be a problem with the parameters or
configuration of the boot volume of the new drive. I created 5 volumes on
the 36 GB drive with the first as a FAT32 primary and the remaining 4 as
logical drives in a single extended partition. Any idea where I should go
from here?
Thanks for all your great help!!
"R. C. White" <RCWhite@msn.com> wrote in message
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> Hi, Doug.
>
> I also boot from a 9 GB SCSI drive, with two additional HDs, but my other
> drives are IDE, attached to the onboard RAID controller (but not using
> RAID). I have a couple of thoughts on your system.
>
> Is it too late for you to back up and start over? Here's how I would do
it.
> But first, let's be sure that we both are talking Microsoft's language
about
> a few key terms. The "system partition" is generally the first primary
> partition on the first HD; this partition must be marked Active
(bootable).
> The system partition MUST contain the "system files", which are usually
only
> NTLDR, NTDETECT.COM and Boot.ini, and these must be in the Root of this
> partition (usually C:\). All the rest of WinXP goes into the "boot
folder"
> (\Windows, by default in WinXP; \WinNT in Win2K) on WinXP's "boot volume"
> (often also C:, but J: in your existing system). This boot volume can be
> any primary partition or any logical drive in an extended partition on any
> HD in your computer. Yes, as many writers have pointed out, "We BOOT from
> the SYSTEM partition and keep our operating SYSTEM files in the BOOT
> volume." There is only one system partition, but each copy of Windows
> installed (Win2K and WinXP) should be in its own separate boot volume.
>
> 1. Physically add the new HD as Disk 2 and reboot into your existing
system
> (with C: on Disk 0 as your system partition and J: on Disk 1 as your WinXP
> boot volume).
>
> 2. Use Disk Management to create partitions on Disk 2, assign drive
> letters, and format them. Create a primary partition at the beginning of
> the HD. It can be quite small; all the system files combined total much
> less than 1 MEGAbyte (~280 KB for NTLDR, ~45 KB for NTDETECT.com; less
than
> 1 KB for boot.ini). You may put other files in this partition, but these
> usually are all that are required. (My Drive C: is 715 MB and also holds
> some old DOS-based Norton and other utilities.) You can format this small
> partition as FAT16. The rest of Disk 2 can be included in a single
extended
> partition, which will not be assigned a drive letter, of course. Within
the
> extended partition, create logical drives to match your current "drives":
> D:, Y:, J: and K:, in whatever sizes you choose to use, and format them.
> Use Disk Management to assign temporary drive letters; you can reassign
the
> letters later.
>
> 3. Use Xcopy (or Ghost) to copy everything from the old J: to the volume
> that will become J: later. The contents of the other volumes (D, Y and K)
> can be copied either now or later. With Xcopy, use switches to be sure
that
> you get all files, including system, hidden and read-only files. (As with
> most commands in the "DOS" window, just type xcopy /? to see a mini-Help
> file listing all the switches available.) I usually use:
> xcopy d:\ x:\ /c /h /e /r /k
>
> 4. Reboot - into Win2K, NOT WinXP. Use Xcopy from here to copy WinXP's
> Registry files to the new HD. This step is necessary because Xcopy cannot
> copy Registry files to or from the current boot folder. When you are
booted
> into Win2K, though, it can copy the WinXP files from
> J:\Windows\System32\Config. This would also be a good time to make sure
> that the new WinXP volume is assigned drive letter J:, to match the old
> configuration.
>
> 5. Unplug HDs 0 and 1; plug in your new 36 GB HD as HD 0. Removing the
old
> Disk 0 is an important step, because if WinXP Setup detects an existing
> system partition, it will let that partition keep the drive letter C: and
> will assign a new letter to the first partition on the new first HD - and
> there's no easy way to change it later.
>
> 6. Boot from the WinXP CD-ROM and run the "in-place upgrade" as
instructed
> in KB article 315341:
> How to Perform an In-Place Upgrade (Reinstallation) of Windows XP
> http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;en-us;q315341
>
> This will take as long as a fresh install of WinXP, but, since you will
have
> copied the WinXP Registry to your new Drive J:, using this in-place
upgrade
> procedure (rather than a "clean install" of WinXP) will preserve your
> installed applications and data - and most of your tweaks. When Setup
runs,
> it will detect the existing Win2K and WinXP installations and recreate
> C:\boot.ini to point to them by their NEW disk(#)partition(#) numbers.
(As
> you know, HDs are numbered beginning with 0; volumes (called partitions
> here) are numbered beginning with 1 on each HD.)
>
> 7. Boot into your new WinXP, get your firewall and antivirus working
again,
> then visit Windows Update to be sure you have the latest Service Pack and
> later Critical Updates.
>
> 8. Boot into WinXP and use Disk Management to reassign drive letters to
> suit your new lineup. When you are ready, you can add your original HDs
and
> use Disk Management to create, delete and format volumes.
>
> Simple, huh? :^}
>
> There are a couple of other points that should be mentioned because they
> might be important in your system. First, WinXP installations on some
SCSI
> systems use a system file called NTbootdd.sys and require a different
> parameter in C:\boot.ini. My Adaptec AHA-2930U2 SCSI system does not
> require this and I know nothing about it. Second, if the driver for your
> SCSI Host Adapter is not on the WinXP CD-ROM, you will need to have it on
a
> floppy diskette before Step 6 and watch during the early part of Setup for
> the instruction to Press F6 to install SCSI or other third-party drivers;
> press F6 quickly and wait until Setup halts with instructions to install
the
> drivers from the floppy. If you did not have to use this F6 procedure
> during your initial installation of WinXP, you probably won't need to do
it
> now.
>
> If you have questions, post back.
>
> RC
> --
> R. C. White, CPA
> San Marcos, TX
> rc@corridor.net
> Microsoft Windows MVP
>
> "Doug Floer" <spam@localhost.com> wrote in message
> news:uBLIuQqNEHA.1400@TK2MSFTNGP10.phx.gbl...
> >I need some help changing out my system disk. Here's my config. I have
3
> > disks:
> >
> > Disk 0 (9 GB SCSI): c: (bootblock and boot.ini (old NT4)) and two data
> > partitions (t:, g:)
> > Disk 1 (18 GB SCSI): d: (W2K (unused)), y: (data), j: (XP), k: (Program
> > Files)
> > Disk 2 (36 GB SCSI): unallocated
> >
> > My main goal is to simply to move the partitions and contents of disk 1
to
> > larger partitions on disk 2. I'd like to remove disk 0 and just have
disk
> > 2
> > as the boot disk, too, but this is secondary.
> >
> > I've used ghost to replicate the partitions and then removed disk 1 from
> > the
> > system and changed the SCSI ID of disk 2 to disk 1 but XP complained
that
> > the license couldn't be verified.
> >
> > Can anyone out there advise how this can be done without reinstallation
or
> > program/data loss?
> >
> > Thanks!
>
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