Re: Windows eXcresence Personified and disappearing HDs
From: cquirke (MVP Win9x) (cquirkenews_at_nospam.mvps.org)
Date: 05/04/04
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Date: Wed, 05 May 2004 01:03:52 +0200
On Tue, 4 May 2004 10:42:40 -0500, "Carey Frisch [MVP]"
>The Windows XP operating system did not cause your problem.....
>you did by not taking the necessary precautions of installing a
>simple $99 battery backup for your PC.
Ah, blame the victim!
Yes, hardware failure happens and an OS should cope with it better
than this. In fact, an OS should have a safe maintenance mode (or
off-HD maintenance OS) to deal with such situations, as per
http://cquirke.mvps.org/whatmos.htm
>Windows XP will not run on failed hardware.
Not only will it not run; if it does run, it will likely make things
considerably worse - because Windows can't run without writing to the
file system, and this file system is at risk.
>Since you have no access to your recovery CDs, there is nothing
>you can do at this point and no magic wand will fix your hardware failure,
>unless you perform the following:
>Solution:
>1. Purchase a new hard drive.
>2. Purchase a "Full Version" of Windows XP
>3. Configure your drives so the new one is Master and old one Slave.
>4. Install Windows XP on the new drive and reinstall your programs.
>5. From within the new Windows XP, explore the old drive and manually
> copy files from old drive to the new drive. If you run into an "Access
> Denied" errors, read the following:
>How to Take Ownership of a File or Folder in Windows XP
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;308421&Product=winxp
>UPS Selector
>http://www.apc.com/template/size/apc/index.cfm
>Maxtor OneTouch USB
>http://www.maxtor.com/en/products/external/onetouch/onetouch_usb/index.htm
Now let's see the original problem...
"Patrick" <labash@webs-by-labash.net> wrote in message:
news:811601c431e7$cc7ff200$a501280a@phx.gbl...
|I had a power outage here in Mexico City, and when the
| power came back I rebooted to find that my second HD was
| listed as a RAW FS. Since this is the disk I use for all
| of my buiness work, I nearly went nuts.
So far, we have XP unable to see the file system. OK...
| I rebooted to a Win98 floopy with the tools and
| checked the drive. Did DIR E: and everything was
| there. All the files are there and can be accessed at
| the dos level.
Now you tell me, Carey; does that look like broken hardware to the
point where nothing can be expected to work?
I'd cherry-pick the data off from DOS mode (thank goodness he wasn't
on NTFS!!) using Odi's LFN tools. Yep; he can copy *everything* off
the HD (assuming he as somewhere else that's DOS-visible to copy to)
with a single Odi command - e.g. LCopy C:\* D:\BADHD /A /S
So far, so good - no need to install XP, blah blah blah.
Back to the story...
| But, Win eXcresence Personified says that the disk is
| unformated. Does anyone have an Idea what winXP
| has done? I am in Mexico and all of my recovery
| software is in the U.S.
Either there's something genuinely insane about that HD, in spite of
your promising DOS mode mileage, or XP's lost the plot. I did read
something about the differences in how XP and DOS mode see disks, to
do with the need for a valid media byte in the case of diskettes;
maybe that applies here. As things look hairy, I'd get your data off
onto solid ground (such as a new HD) first, and filldle later.
If all else fails, you can re-FDisk and reformat the HD (after
evacuating it, obviously) using BING or some other compitent formatter
that can do FAT32 up to 137G, and then copy everything back to it.
You can also do an observed DOS mode Scandisk surface scan, to check
for physical defects; look out for any pauses in the cluster counter,
as those indicate retries and a sick HD even if they aren't considered
"errors" by Scandisk of ChkDsk /r.
You can also use BING (from www.bootitng.com) to image your sick HD to
another - all without writing to the at-risk HD, of course. But half
an image is no cigar, so just in case the HD has only an hour or less
of spin time left (don't beat it to death via Scandisk etc. to find
out!) you should first cherry-pick using Odi's LFN tools.
http://cquirke.mvps.org/whatmos.htm covers Odi, BING, NTFS drivers,
Bart's PE CDR, ReadNTFS blah blah etc. with links to download these.
When it comes to repairing a damaged FATxx file system, see the data
recovery section in http://cquirke.mvps.org/9x
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Who is General Failure and
why is he reading my disk?
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