Re: Long logon times (and other associated issues)
From: Cerridwen (cerridwen_at_celticnet.com)
Date: 02/18/04
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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:57:14 -0000
hermes wrote:
> Cerridwen wrote:
>> hermes wrote:
>>> Cerridwen wrote:
>>>> Please forgive the cross-posts - I didn't really know where best to
>>>> post this as I'm not really sure of the cause.
>>>>
>>>> I don't really know the cause (what I do know is that it's not
>>>> caused by any TSR start-up process as I've spent the better part of
>>>> 2 hours disabling each and rebooting and nothing's made a
>>>> difference), so I'm beginning to wonder if it's a network issue.
>>>>
>>>> I have 2 Dells - a Dimension 8350 (mine) and an Optiplex GX150 (my
>>>> father's). They are connected via their respective integrated
>>>> network cards via a CAT5 cable - they are only about 4' apart (as
>>>> if this should make any difference!). The Optiplex was recently
>>>> upgraded to XP Pro (from 2000) to match mine.
>>>>
>>>> The problem is, I don't even know if it /is/ network related -
>>>> that's just a hunch, as I cannot recall how long it's been doing it
>>>> for.
>>>>
>>>> Basically what happens is this (this happens on mine only, Dad's is
>>>> fine).
>>>>
>>>> Blue scrolling splash (bar scrolls across anything up to two dozen
>>>> times - I know 'cause I've counted!). To logon screen and I enter
>>>> my password and it then hangs for over two minutes (I know, 'cause
>>>> I've timed it!). It's almost as though it's searching for
>>>> something and it will only continue with the logon when it's found
>>>> whatever it is it's looking for. I connect to the net via ADSL and
>>>> the modem is an external USB (yes, I know!) connected to my
>>>> system. It is *not* shared with my father's as he doesn't require
>>>> access.
>>>>
>>>> System specs follow
>>>>
>>>> Mine
>>>> --------
>>>> P4 3.2GHz HT
>>>> 1GB 3500 RAM
>>>> 9800 Pro
>>>> 875E Intel motherboard
>>>> Audigy 2 Platinum
>>>> 2x hard drives (2x250 standard IDE)
>>>> 2x opticals (DVD burner and DVD-ROM)
>>>> NIC integrated in motherboard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dad's
>>>> --------
>>>> P3 1GHz
>>>> 256MB RAM
>>>> 40GB hard drive
>>>> CD-ROM
>>>> Everything else integrated on 815 chipset, IIRC, Intel motherboard
>>>>
>>>> As I've just upgraded my father's, I have yet to install SP1 -
>>>> would this make a difference? His system has no such logon issues,
>>>> they are peculiar to mine.
>>>>
>>>> Why do I think it's network related? Well everything to do with
>>>> networking is slow. It takes a full minute to display the contents
>>>> when I click "view network computers" - on my father's it's
>>>> instantaneous! I really don't know where to begin troubleshooting -
>>>> can anyone give me any pointers? Everything to do with networking
>>>> is considerably faster on his, vastly inferior, system.
>>>>
>>>> I know next to nothing about networking - all I want to do is run a
>>>> simple 2-system peer-to-peer network, so we can share the printer
>>>> and files. I mean, it's not rocket science - or is it?!
>>>>
>>>> I just want a computer that will hit the desktop in less time than
>>>> it takes to make a cuppa! Yep, I can go away, boil the kettle, dunk
>>>> the bag and it's only just hit the desktop when I return!
>>>>
>>>> Anyone help this luddite?
>>>>
>>>> Things were so much easier (or so it appeared) in the days of 9x
>>>> and NetBEUI - I just entered a static IP and never had any
>>>> problems!
>>>>
>>>> The system is healthy in all other respects and passed its weekly
>>>> spyware and virus scans yesterday with flying colours! I am running
>>>> a firewall, but then that's standard protocol.
>>>>
>>>> If I have forgotten anything vitally important, just yell.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Hello. Not sure what is causing your problem either but here are a
>>> few things to check/try:
>>>
>>> - Is your firewall software seeing the network access between your
>>> and your father's computer? Have you tried disabling it?
>>
>> Yes it is and yes I have - doesn't make a difference.
>>
>>
>>> - The machines are connected via a direct cable connection? Are you
>>> making sure to use a crossover cable if this is the case?
>>
>> Yep it is - CAT5 crossover.
>>
>>> - Is your modem dynamically assigning internal IP addies, or are
>>> they on static IPs?
>>
>> Static.
>>
>>> - Have you tried to ping an internal IP address and look at the
>>> stats?
>>
>> Just done so now, and the results are odd. Gives me a result of 0ms
>> for max, min, and average!
>>
>>> - Have you tried to ping an external IP address and look at the
>>> stats?
>>
>> By external I assume you mean a web-based IP. Yes I have - I've
>> pinged your news-server and the results are: Max=182 Min=180
>> Average=181. I'm not sure what 'average' is for a bog-standard ASDL
>> connection, so I cannot say whether this is slow, fast or normal.
>>
>> Any other light that you can shed I'll be eternally grateful!
>
> Was this occurring before you applied SP1 to your machine?
My system has been running SP1 since it was released. My father's system,
which has only just been upgraded (prior to that it was running 2000 Pro,
which was preinstalled by Dell. His system used to be part of a corporate
network - running from a 2000 AS server. He bought it, but they couldn't
find any media so, when the HD died, just before Christmas, he decided to
upgrade to XP). I have never got round to installing SP1 - do you think
that's part of the problem? I consider myself to be on the intermediate side
of advanced (I did TS for his company for a while) but it was mainly
upgrading hardware and application (primarily Office) support.
> I assume you have both computers in the same network workgroup with
> file and print sharing enabled? Does the "client for microsoft
> networks" properties have the same settings on both machines?
Naturally and, yes, file and print sharing is enabled.
> Hmmm, it does seem to be some kind of network related thing. You
> could also try:
>
> - changing out current crossover cable with a known good one
Cable's fine. You know, the funny thing was I had it working perfectly using
static IPs and then, due to an unrelated issue, I was forced to use DI to
restore a backup. I haven't been able to make it work properly since! I just
wish I could remember what I did.
One other thing, that may or may not be an issue, is that it's now using MAC
bridging,and I swear it didn't before, and it was just the NIC showing under
network connections. Maybe it's bridging that's causing the issue this time.
I'd like to get rid of it and just go back to how it was before (direct
connection). I have disabled ICS, because it's not required and I've also
enabled 1394 connection (which was installed with my soundcard I believe, as
it's the only thing with firewire ports - my system doesn't have firewire as
standard).
> - Booting and logging into your computer while connected only to dsl
> modem, then connected only via the crossover cable, or connected to
> no outside network components.cmd
> - Ping your machine from your dad's machine to see if it gives the
> same weird stats
No it doesn't. From his to mine: - min=2, max=3, ave=2. What does this tell
you?
> - Borrow a friend's known good router or hub with cables and test in
> place of the crossover cable
Norma No-Mates me, well at least as far as local people are concerned.
> - Create varying hardware profiles where you enable and disable the
> various network connections/devices you have and boot into them
I only have one NIC in each system - both on-board Intel.
> With each of the above suggestions, if the problem still occurs, ping
> an internal IP address to see if it displays the same wierd stats.
>
> It is also possible that this is some kind of odd low level thing as
> I have dealt with a few machines that have network problems that have
> nothing to do with windows. In all of these cases, resetting or
> upgrading the bios has fixed the problem.
Both systems are running the latest revision.
Also might be good to
> replace the motherboard battery if you find the bios to be the
> problem (which is possible with an integrated NIC).
Both had new batteries not six weeks ago.
This is a very
> perplexing situation. :)Post back with what you find. Good luck!
Well, I've tested and tested and tested and I'm still getting the same 0ms
from my system to my father's.
I don't know what else to do. As I said, it wasn't using bridging before and
now it is and I want rid. Is this possible?
Thanks for everything so far!
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